air step diagnosis

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Hi Dan, There are 2 switch doors and 3 switch doors.


2 Switch door; top switch is for the electrical door lock and on some
models the burglar alarm as well. The second switch is the step.

3 switch doors; Top switch elect lock, middle switch alarm, bottom switch
is for the step.

when the switches are behind a hinge cover, the burg alarm switch is a
different configuration, not a button.


There is a change over relay in the manual switch over compartment that
ties into the step. (Older FC's. There are 2 or 4 relays involved in the
PT's


Safe travels,


Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider

84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"

Duncan, Oklahoma


At 03:06 PM 6/30/2009 -0500, you wrote:

Thanks,
Chuck. Does your door have three switches? What do they
operate besides the air step?

Dan Williams,88wb38,Jackson,MS

----- Original Message -----

From: Chuck
Wheeler

To:
"WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:09 PM

Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis


They are a common door switch. Granger has them and I have seen them at some hardware stores. The closets at our home use the same switch to activate the closet light when the door is opened.



- Chuck Wheeler-

1982 FC 31SB Fort Worth TX

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Do you have a source/part number for the switches? Thanks, Dan Williams,88WB38,Jackson,MS

----- Original Message -----

From: "billpatty@hotmail.com"

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:26 AM

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis




Check the door switches.


Bill 88 FC Michigan


--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "maureyroad" wrote:

>

> My air step is not working. If I apply power directly to the solinoids the step goes in and out properly. The dash switch light stays on all the time. There are three door switches in the door jamb. The lower one operates the step light and I don't know what the top two operate. The relays seem very hot to touch and they all have power. The pressure switch has power. The wire that supplies power to the extend solinoid has power all the time if the door is open or closed. The pressure strip has been removed and the end capped. The micro switches cancel power when the button is pressed. If anyone can help me troubleshoot this problem I would appreciate it. TIA Dan

>

> Dan Williams,88WB38,Jackson,MS

>

[dan]

Hi Ralph, I think I am getting closer to the problem. There is power to my k4 relay all the time. Is that normal?

Dan Williams,88wb38,Jackson,MS

----- Original Message -----

From: "rlf47@swbell.net"

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis

Hi Dan, There are 2 switch doors and 3 switch doors.

2 Switch door; top switch is for the electrical door lock and on some models the burglar alarm as well. The second switch is the step.
3 switch doors; Top switch elect lock, middle switch alarm, bottom switch is for the step.
when the switches are behind a hinge cover, the burg alarm switch is a different configuration, not a button.

There is a change over relay in the manual switch over compartment that ties into the step. (Older FC's. There are 2 or 4 relays involved in the PT's

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 03:06 PM 6/30/2009 -0500, you wrote:

Thanks, Chuck. Does your door have three switches? What do they operate besides the air step?
Dan Williams,88wb38,Jackson,MS

----- Original Message -----
From: "cwheeler@kathleenwheeler.com"
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis

They are a common door switch. Granger has them and I have seen them at some hardware stores. The closets at our home use the same switch to activate the closet light when the door is opened.

- Chuck Wheeler-
1982 FC 31SB Fort Worth TX

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From: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" ["WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"] On Behalf Of dan
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:09 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis

Do you have a source/part number for the switches? Thanks, Dan Williams,88WB38,Jackson,MS

----- Original Message -----
From: "billpatty@hotmail.com"
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:26 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis


Check the door switches.

Bill 88 FC Michigan

--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "maureyroad" wrote:
>
> My air step is not working. If I apply power directly to the solinoids the step goes in and out properly. The dash switch light stays on all the time. There are three door switches in the door jamb. The lower one operates the step light and I don't know what the top two operate. The relays seem very hot to touch and they all have power. The pressure switch has power. The wire that supplies power to the extend solinoid has power all the time if the door is open or closed. The pressure strip has been removed and the end capped. The micro switches cancel power when the button is pressed. If anyone can help me troubleshoot this problem I would appreciate it. TIA Dan
>
> Dan Williams,88WB38,Jackson,MS
>

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

No, the power to the k4 should be removed when the prox switch or the
limit switch is made telling the system to reverse. I need to look at my
air schematic to be sure of the sequence of operation. Will get it out in
the AM. Am going to take a WAG here and bet your going to find a problem
with a butt splice in the wiring near the step.


Safe travels,


Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider

84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"

Duncan, Oklahoma


At 09:31 PM 6/30/2009 -0500, you wrote:

Hi
Ralph, I think I am getting closer to the problem. There is
power to my k4 relay all the time. Is that normal?


Dan Williams,88wb38,Jackson,MS

----- Original Message -----

From: "rlf47@swbell.net"


To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis


Hi Dan, There are 2 switch doors and 3 switch doors.


2 Switch door; top switch is for the electrical door lock and on some models the burglar alarm as well. The second switch is the step.

3 switch doors; Top switch elect lock, middle switch alarm, bottom switch is for the step.

when the switches are behind a hinge cover, the burg alarm switch is a different configuration, not a button.


There is a change over relay in the manual switch over compartment that ties into the step. (Older FC's. There are 2 or 4 relays involved in the PT's


Safe travels,


Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider

84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"

Duncan, Oklahoma


At 03:06 PM 6/30/2009 -0500, you wrote:

[Gregory OConnor]

here is CurtS 's attachment submission on air step diagram

Greg of Tim&Greg
94ptca


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wanderlodg.../item/list

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote:
>
> No, the power to the k4 should be removed when the prox switch or the limit
> switch is made telling the system to reverse. I need to look at my air
> schematic to be sure of the sequence of operation. Will get it out in the
> AM. Am going to take a WAG here and bet your going to find a problem with a
> butt splice in the wiring near the step.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 09:31 PM 6/30/2009 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
> >Hi Ralph, I think I am getting closer to the problem. There is power to
> >my k4 relay all the time. Is that normal?
> >Dan Williams,88wb38,Jackson,MS
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: > >>To:
> >> > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:21 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis
> >>
> >>Hi Dan, There are 2 switch doors and 3 switch doors.
> >>
> >>2 Switch door; top switch is for the electrical door lock and on some
> >>models the burglar alarm as well. The second switch is the step.
> >>3 switch doors; Top switch elect lock, middle switch alarm, bottom switch
> >>is for the step.
> >>when the switches are behind a hinge cover, the burg alarm switch is a
> >>different configuration, not a button.
> >>
> >>There is a change over relay in the manual switch over compartment that
> >>ties into the step. (Older FC's. There are 2 or 4 relays involved in the PT's
> >>
> >>Safe travels,
> >>
> >>Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> >>84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> >>Duncan, Oklahoma
> >>
> >>At 03:06 PM 6/30/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> >>
>

[dan]

Ralph, I am not so good at reading a wiring diagram but it looks like unswitched power to 86 on k4 and a simple ground on 85. That means the relay is always on, which I don't understand and I am stuck there. In fact, my k4 relay is always on but if I unground it or unpower it the step will extend like it should.

Dan Williams,88WB38, Jackson,MS

----- Original Message -----

From: "rlf47@swbell.net"

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis

No, the power to the k4 should be removed when the prox switch or the limit switch is made telling the system to reverse. I need to look at my air schematic to be sure of the sequence of operation. Will get it out in the AM. Am going to take a WAG here and bet your going to find a problem with a butt splice in the wiring near the step.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 09:31 PM 6/30/2009 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Ralph, I think I am getting closer to the problem. There is power to my k4 relay all the time. Is that normal?
Dan Williams,88wb38,Jackson,MS

----- Original Message -----
From: "rlf47@swbell.net"
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: air step diagnosis

Hi Dan, There are 2 switch doors and 3 switch doors.

2 Switch door; top switch is for the electrical door lock and on some models the burglar alarm as well. The second switch is the step.
3 switch doors; Top switch elect lock, middle switch alarm, bottom switch is for the step.
when the switches are behind a hinge cover, the burg alarm switch is a different configuration, not a button.

There is a change over relay in the manual switch over compartment that ties into the step. (Older FC's. There are 2 or 4 relays involved in the PT's

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 03:06 PM 6/30/2009 -0500, you wrote: