Stud Piloted vs Hub Piloted

[Stephen Birtles]

Stud pilot uses on stud and two nuts on dual wheels
hub pilot uses one stud and one nut on dual wheels
Stephen 77fc35

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden"
wrote:
>
> OK Stephen, I went to the 2 sites. Everything was fine till I saw
the 2nd (outside) wheel illustration on the stud centered system. Is
there yet another system? One with the first wheel nut being threaded
inside as well as on the outside and then a regular nut on the outside
wheel. I know that there is as that what I've always had but it must
also have a name or system to define it.
>
> Still confused a little but getting better.
> Thanks
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lk. Stevens, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Birtles
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:07 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stud Piloted vs Hub Piloted
>
>
> follow these url for explanations of hub piloted and sud pilot wheel
> would have posted it but they contain pictures and the yahooligans
> would have deleted them
>
> stud pilot
>
http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_a...?info\
_page_id=528&prod_id=0&cat_id=893<http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_america\
/en/product_info_page_cat.asp?info_page_id=528&prod_id=0&cat_id=893>
>
> hub pilot
>
http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_a...?info\
_page_id=527&prod_id=0&cat_id=893<http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_america\
/en/product_info_page_cat.asp?info_page_id=527&prod_id=0&cat_id=893>
>
>
> Stephen 77fc35
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden"
> wrote:
> >
> > Am I the only one who doesen't know what hub "piloted and stud
> piloted" means? At the risk of embarrassing myself, what do those
> terms mean?
> >
> > Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lk. Stevens, WA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff Miller
> > To:
>
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:35 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stud Piloted vs Hub Piloted
> >
> >
> > New hubs, new brake drums, new studs/nuts, new center-caps.
> >
> > The cost would be too much to be worth it IMO, you can buy
> stud-piloted
> > wheels new.
> >
> > - Jeff Miller
> > in Holland, MI
> >
> >
> > --- In
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WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "Henry Claeys" ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm searching for 8.25 X 22.5 rims for my 1979 FC 35. So
far I've
> > found many more hub piloted instead of the stud piloted rims. Is
> much
> > modification required to use the hub piloted rims? I'm
guessing that
> > I'd need different hubs. Henry@H... McAllen, Tx 1979 FC 35.
> > >
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[Richard Hayden]

Stephen,
Got it - finally. It's just that the Alcoa illustration didn't look like that
to me.

Thanks again

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lk. Stevens, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Birtles
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stud Piloted vs Hub Piloted


Stud pilot uses on stud and two nuts on dual wheels
hub pilot uses one stud and one nut on dual wheels
Stephen 77fc35

--- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
"Richard Hayden"
...> wrote:
>
> OK Stephen, I went to the 2 sites. Everything was fine till I saw
the 2nd (outside) wheel illustration on the stud centered system. Is
there yet another system? One with the first wheel nut being threaded
inside as well as on the outside and then a regular nut on the outside
wheel. I know that there is as that what I've always had but it must
also have a name or system to define it.
>
> Still confused a little but getting better.
> Thanks
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lk. Stevens, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Birtles
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:07 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stud Piloted vs Hub Piloted
>
>
> follow these url for explanations of hub piloted and sud pilot wheel
> would have posted it but they contain pictures and the yahooligans
> would have deleted them
>
> stud pilot
>

http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_a...?info\
_page_id=528&prod_id=0&cat_id=893<http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_america\
/en/product_info_page_cat.asp?info_page_id=528&prod_id=0&cat_id=893><http://www.\
alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_america/en/product_info_page_cat.asp?info_page_id=52\
8&prod_id=0&cat_id=893<http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_a...oduct\
_info_page_cat.asp?info_page_id=528&prod_id=0&cat_id=893>>
>
> hub pilot
>

http://www.alcoacom/alcoawheels/north_am...info_\
page_id=527&prod_id=0&cat_id=893<http://www.alcoa.com/alcoawheels/north_america/\
en/product_info_page_cat.asp?info_page_id=527&prod_id=0&cat_id=893><http://www.a\
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info_page_cat.asp?info_page_id=527&prod_id=0&cat_id=893>>
>
>
> Stephen 77fc35
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden"
> wrote:
> >
> > Am I the only one who doesen't know what hub "piloted and stud
> piloted" means? At the risk of embarrassing myself, what do those
> terms mean?
> >
> > Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lk. Stevens, WA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff Miller
> > To:
>
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:35 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stud Piloted vs Hub Piloted
> >
> >
> > New hubs, new brake drums, new studs/nuts, new center-caps.
> >
> > The cost would be too much to be worth it IMO, you can buy
> stud-piloted
> > wheels new.
> >
> > - Jeff Miller
> > in Holland, MI
> >
> >
> > --- In
>
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "Henry Claeys" ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm searching for 8.25 X 22.5 rims for my 1979 FC 35 So
far I've
> > found many more hub piloted instead of the stud piloted rims. Is
> much
> > modification required to use the hub piloted rims? I'm
guessing that
> > I'd need different hubs. Henry@H... McAllen, Tx 1979 FC 35.
> > >
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> >
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[Jeff Miller]

That's pretty much it.

The most important difference is that on a "stud-piloted" wheel the
weight of the coach is borne by the friction between the wheel and
the hub via the clamping force of the nut (so NO GREASE between wheel
and hub on stud-piloted). On the "hub-piloted" wheel the weight of
the coach is borne by the hub flange in the center of the wheel/hub,
the studs just keep it there and transfer lateral loads and torque
(thus the smaller studs/nuts). The stud-piloted is an older system ,
the hub-piloted was a European standard. Most American cars and Class-
8 trucks changed in the late '80s on, BB changed in '02 I believe,
some RVs still haven't changed.

They are not compatible. Both work fine if properly installed.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
wrote:
>
> Hi Dick,
> I'll try to explain.
>
> Stud piloted...the wheel centers on the studs. The wheel stud holes
and
> lug nuts are tapered. The tapers center the wheel when the lug nuts
are
> tightened.
>
> Hub piloted...the wheel is centered on the hub. The wheel stud
holes and
> lug nuts are not tapered.
>
> Someone will chime in if my explanation needs refinement.
>
> Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
>
>
> Richard Hayden wrote:
>
> > Am I the only one who doesen't know what hub "piloted and stud
> > piloted" means? At the risk of embarrassing myself, what do
those
> > terms mean?
> >
> > Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lk. Stevens, WA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff Miller
> > To:
> >
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com om>
> > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:35 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stud Piloted vs Hub Piloted
> >
> >
> > New hubs, new brake drums, new studs/nuts, new center-caps.
> >
> > The cost would be too much to be worth it IMO, you can buy stud-
piloted
> > wheels new.
> >
> > - Jeff Miller
> > in Holland, MI
> >
> >
> > --- In
> >
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com om>,
> > "Henry Claeys" ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm searching for 8.25 X 22.5 rims for my 1979 FC 35. So far
I've
> > found many more hub piloted instead of the stud piloted rims.
Is much
> > modification required to use the hub piloted rims? I'm
guessing that
> > I'd need different hubs. Henry@H... McAllen, Tx 1979 FC 35.
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Mike,

Info on the

http://www.accuridewheels.com

website indicates that the trucking industry is moving to the hub
piloted wheels because of the reduced parts inventories and ease of
maintenance for those servicing large fleets. The hub piloted wheels
use one nut per stud on single or dual configurations and all threads
are right hand on both sides of the vehicle. Doesn't sound like much
but for fleets with hundreds of units it all adds up. Also part of
the explanation for some fleets using Alcoa "super singles" and
Accuride wide rim singles.

Jim Owens
77 FC33SB (Gas)
Lake of the Ozarks, MO (envious of those with new tires and rims)

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@w...> wrote:
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> I had to learn the lesson after I purchased a set of 6 brush finish
alloys. Time came to mount the new tires, I noticed there was no
divot around the stud holes to receive the lug nuts. The dealer got
me the right ones no problem. He did say the stud pilot stuff is
getting harder to supply. Don't know if that was BS or not.
> Mike Hohnstein
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Hayden
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stud Piloted vs Hub Piloted
>
>
> Am I the only one who doesen't know what hub "piloted and stud
piloted" means? At the risk of embarrassing myself, what do those
terms mean?
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lk. Stevens, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Miller
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com om>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:35 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Stud Piloted vs Hub Piloted
>
>
> New hubs, new brake drums, new studs/nuts, new center-caps.
>
> The cost would be too much to be worth it IMO, you can buy stud-
piloted
> wheels new.
>
> - Jeff Miller
> in Holland, MI
>
>
> --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com om>, "Henry Claeys" ...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm searching for 8.25 X 22.5 rims for my 1979 FC 35. So far
I've
> found many more hub piloted instead of the stud piloted rims.
Is much
> modification required to use the hub piloted rims? I'm
guessing that
> I'd need different hubs. Henry@H... McAllen, Tx 1979 FC 35.
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