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03-05-2006, 03:21

Stephen
This might be a topic I can help on, ours is a rear bath but had the
same problem. Water was coming from behind the wall of the shower,
after taking the walls apart and trying to remove the small window
behind the shower, the glass company said no way to remove without
access from inside. We finnaly cut a hole in the wall above the
handles and below the shower head, easely found the broken pipe and
enough room to work on it. Covered the hole with a nice piece of
aluminum, and now if we have to get there again its easy. And my wife
thinks it looks OK that way, thats a releif after the look I got when
the saw came out and I told her there was no other way.
Jeff and Michelle August
Plymouth Wi.
1980FC35RB

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" <share@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce-
>
>
>
> I am getting rid of my blue wire, as I wont need it anymore here in
Florida,
> and don't plan on going any ware that cold! Plus, I drain my pipes
properly
> if I don't use my coach for awhile anyway.
>
>
>
> I will get into removing drawers, ECT this week. I had to take a
break this
> weekend, as I spent Friday night, and all day Saturday removing the
water
> tank and the old pipes behind there-and only to find out more
broken pipes-
> somewhere-
>
>
>
> I will keep you updated. Just hope nothing behind the shower is
busted!
>
>
>
> Stephen
>
> 81 FC-33SB
>
> Plant City, Fl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
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> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Morris
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:05 AM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
>
> Stephen, at this point I have removed all of the drawers, backing
that comes
> out, and anything else I can find that is in front of my pipes.
>
> The zip ties you can cut with a diagonal cutter. The Blue heat
tape in my
> Bird has already been cut (at least some of it) and the rest is
unplugged
> for some reason.
> I haven't decided what if anything I am going to do about the heat
tape. I
> keep heat in my Bird when it is cold, but of course that doesn't
mean it is
> going to keep the areas that the pipes run in warm enough. I'll
have to do
> some research and find out how the blue stuff works. I'm not
familiar with
> it and from what I understand it is supposed to be thermostatically
> controlled by the dielectric in the tape itself which is somehow
temperature
> sensitive. I guess if it is still available it might be a good
idea to run
> it with the pipes.
>
> One of the tools I bought to hopefully help remove copper pipes is a
> ratcheting pipe cutter. It goes up to 1/2 inch, but they make a
larger one
> for over 1/2 inch if I need it. With that I can slip it onto the
pipe and
> then ratchet it with whatever room I have. It is self tightening
and in
> time will cut through the pipe as well as a regular pipe cutter.
I'm
> crossing my fingers that it will work like I think it will.
>
> We live and learn. Just have to keep remembering that we are
having a good
> time and working on our Birds is fun and rewarding.
>
> Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> 1983 WL FC35RB
>
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> Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
> Bruce-
>
>
>
> I know what your going through! I removed the water tank, and
replaced all
> of them going forward (hot and cold) now, having to go forward
still from
> the kitchen sink forward to bath. running into problems removing
old
> pipes,
> they are wrapped in that blue heat strip wire, and zip tied to
each other
> (and the propane lines). If I can get them untied, and slip them
out one,
> by
> one, I think I will be ok.
>
>
>
> It's difficult behind the stove and shower. I need to find out
how to get
> behind there... maybe take out the drawers under the stove top?
Or the
> furnace below the drawers? Not sure.. If you have any
suggestions..???
>
>
>
> Stephen
>
> 81 FC-33 SB
>
> Plant City, Fl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
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Morris
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:52 PM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
>
> Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It
looks like
> I
> am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace them.
The ones
> that had not burst were expanded so that none of the standard
fittings
> will
> work. So, to do it right I have decided to replace the copper
with PEX
> which is supposed to be resistant to bursting if frozen and it
supposed to
> be much easier to work with in tight areas.
>
> I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine
apart, but I
> still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the next
few days
> .
> . . one way or the other.
>
> Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> 1983 WL FC35RB
>
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> Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
> Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I
have
> Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper
water
> pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit
from up
> north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank-
and now
> there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know
how im
> going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area
(SB).....
> Any ideas????? HELP!!!
>
>
> Stephen
> 81 FC-33SB
> Plant City, FL
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03-05-2006, 03:23

The number of people that have no concept of how to winterize an RV is
amazing. Some of these include RV dealers. When we bought our Bird,
it took a long time for me to figure out where the leak was. It was in
the domestic water heating coil in the Aqua Hot. this required
replacing the complete Aquahot unit, not an inexpensive task. If you
have an Aqua Hot or Hydro Hot, remember that the domestic water
heating coil in the tank must be blown out. It is not protected by
antifreeze like the solution that surrounds it.

George Lowry
'06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203
Spearfish, SD Now in Gila Bend, AZ

Bruce Morris wrote:

> Well Tom, as I said earlier I don't winterize my Bird but I do keep it
connected to electricity and keep heat in it when it gets too cold. Maybe it's
just a "Bruce" thing.
>
> I know that my Bird came from New Hampshire where it probably got cold enough
to be a problem. All of the problems I have encountered did not occur on my
watch, but I have to deal with them. I suspect the same thing is true of Bruce
in Florida too since I believe he just bought the coach from someplace up north.
>
> So I guess you are right neither one of us followed the procedures as outlined
in the Blue Box.
>
> Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> 1983 WL FC35RB
>
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> Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Warner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
> The fact that you both have frozen pipes begs the question of whether
> either of you properly followed the procedures for winterizing your
> fresh, grey and black water systems that is outlined in your owners manuals?
>
> tom warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon center,NY
>
> At 09:52 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
> >Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks
> >like I am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace
> >them. The ones that had not burst were expanded so that none of the
> >standard fittings will work. So, to do it right I have decided to
> >replace the copper with PEX which is supposed to be resistant to
> >bursting if frozen and it supposed to be much easier to work with in
> >tight areas.
> >
> >I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart,
> >but I still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the
> >next few days . . . one way or the other.
> >
> >Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> >Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> >1983 WL FC35RB
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stephen
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
> >
> >
> > Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
> > Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
> > pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
> > north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
> > there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
> > going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
> > Any ideas????? HELP!!!
> >
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> > 81 FC-33SB
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03-05-2006, 03:26

Bruce if you have the coach as it was originally built you should
have a freeze protector (electric heater with blower) installed near
the water tank and another in the area of the kitchen sink. These are
thermostatically controlled and will keep the pipes from freezing.
The blue heat tape is further protection and is a resistance tape
that is controlled by a thermostat molded in at the end of the tape.

tom warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 09:34 AM 3/5/2006, you wrote:
>Well Tom, as I said earlier I don't winterize my Bird but I do keep
>it connected to electricity and keep heat in it when it gets too
>cold. Maybe it's just a "Bruce" thing.
>
>I know that my Bird came from New Hampshire where it probably got
>cold enough to be a problem. All of the problems I have encountered
>did not occur on my watch, but I have to deal with them. I suspect
>the same thing is true of Bruce in Florida too since I believe he
>just bought the coach from someplace up north.
>
>So I guess you are right neither one of us followed the procedures
>as outlined in the Blue Box.
>
>Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
>Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
>1983 WL FC35RB
>
>FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
>Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Warner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
> The fact that you both have frozen pipes begs the question of whether
> either of you properly followed the procedures for winterizing your
> fresh, grey and black water systems that is outlined in your
> owners manuals?
>
> tom warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon center,NY
>
> At 09:52 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
> >Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks
> >like I am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace
> >them. The ones that had not burst were expanded so that none of the
> >standard fittings will work. So, to do it right I have decided to
> >replace the copper with PEX which is supposed to be resistant to
> >bursting if frozen and it supposed to be much easier to work with in
> >tight areas.
> >
> >I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart,
> >but I still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the
> >next few days . . . one way or the other.
> >
> >Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> >Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> >1983 WL FC35RB
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> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
> >
> >
> > Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
> > Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
> > pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
> > north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
> > there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
> > going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
> > Any ideas????? HELP!!!
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Yes Tom. I know about the freeze heaters and they are still there. However I
doubt that they are working as they were designed. They seemed to run a whole
lot more than they should when the ambient temperature was well above freezing.
Like many things in a 20+ year old Bird they just need attention and since I was
incapacitated for most of the last 4 or 5 years I am playing catch up.

I am familiar with the tape that has the thermostat in the end and I haven't
pulled one of the blue wires yet to check it, but am under the impression that
there was no mechanism at the end of the wire. I'll learn more when I can see
one that is intact.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Warner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!

Bruce if you have the coach as it was originally built you should
have a freeze protector (electric heater with blower) installed near
the water tank and another in the area of the kitchen sink. These are
thermostatically controlled and will keep the pipes from freezing.
The blue heat tape is further protection and is a resistance tape
that is controlled by a thermostat molded in at the end of the tape.

tom warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 09:34 AM 3/5/2006, you wrote:
>Well Tom, as I said earlier I don't winterize my Bird but I do keep
>it connected to electricity and keep heat in it when it gets too
>cold. Maybe it's just a "Bruce" thing.
>
>I know that my Bird came from New Hampshire where it probably got
>cold enough to be a problem. All of the problems I have encountered
>did not occur on my watch, but I have to deal with them. I suspect
>the same thing is true of Bruce in Florida too since I believe he
>just bought the coach from someplace up north.
>
>So I guess you are right neither one of us followed the procedures
>as outlined in the Blue Box.
>
>Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
>Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
>1983 WL FC35RB
>
>FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
>Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Warner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
> The fact that you both have frozen pipes begs the question of whether
> either of you properly followed the procedures for winterizing your
> fresh, grey and black water systems that is outlined in your
> owners manuals?
>
> tom warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon center,NY
>
> At 09:52 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
> >Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks
> >like I am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace
> >them. The ones that had not burst were expanded so that none of the
> >standard fittings will work. So, to do it right I have decided to
> >replace the copper with PEX which is supposed to be resistant to
> >bursting if frozen and it supposed to be much easier to work with in
> >tight areas.
> >
> >I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart,
> >but I still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the
> >next few days . . . one way or the other.
> >
> >Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> >Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> >1983 WL FC35RB
> >
> >FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
> >Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stephen
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
> >
> >
> > Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
> > Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
> > pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
> > north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
> > there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
> > going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
> > Any ideas????? HELP!!!
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03-05-2006, 06:03

Bruce -

The freeze heaters on my 83 had an adjustable thermostat on each of
them. Mine were set to kick on at about 35 degrees or so. Maybe
someone turned yours up higher if they are running at temps well above
freezing.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Morris" <bamnc@...> wrote:
>
> Yes Tom. I know about the freeze heaters and they are still there.
However I doubt that they are working as they were designed. They
seemed to run a whole lot more than they should when the ambient
temperature was well above freezing. Like many things in a 20+ year
old Bird they just need attention and since I was incapacitated for
most of the last 4 or 5 years I am playing catch up.
>
> I am familiar with the tape that has the thermostat in the end and I
haven't pulled one of the blue wires yet to check it, but am under the
impression that there was no mechanism at the end of the wire. I'll
learn more when I can see one that is intact.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Warner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
> Bruce if you have the coach as it was originally built you should
> have a freeze protector (electric heater with blower) installed near
> the water tank and another in the area of the kitchen sink. These are
> thermostatically controlled and will keep the pipes from freezing.
> The blue heat tape is further protection and is a resistance tape
> that is controlled by a thermostat molded in at the end of the tape.
>
> tom warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon Center,NY
>
> At 09:34 AM 3/5/2006, you wrote:
> >Well Tom, as I said earlier I don't winterize my Bird but I do keep
> >it connected to electricity and keep heat in it when it gets too
> >cold. Maybe it's just a "Bruce" thing.
> >
> >I know that my Bird came from New Hampshire where it probably got
> >cold enough to be a problem. All of the problems I have encountered
> >did not occur on my watch, but I have to deal with them. I suspect
> >the same thing is true of Bruce in Florida too since I believe he
> >just bought the coach from someplace up north.
> >
> >So I guess you are right neither one of us followed the procedures
> >as outlined in the Blue Box.
> >
> >Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> >Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> >1983 WL FC35RB
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
> >
> >
> > The fact that you both have frozen pipes begs the question of
whether
> > either of you properly followed the procedures for winterizing
your
> > fresh, grey and black water systems that is outlined in your
> > owners manuals?
> >
> > tom warner
> > 1982 FC35
> > Vernon center,NY
> >
> > At 09:52 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now.
It looks
> > >like I am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace
> > >them. The ones that had not burst were expanded so that none
of the
> > >standard fittings will work. So, to do it right I have
decided to
> > >replace the copper with PEX which is supposed to be resistant to
> > >bursting if frozen and it supposed to be much easier to work
with in
> > >tight areas.
> > >
> > >I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine
apart,
> > >but I still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it
in the
> > >next few days . . . one way or the other.
> > >
> > >Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> > >Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> > >1983 WL FC35RB
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Stephen
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going
through? I have
> > > Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the
copper water
> > > pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a
unit from up
> > > north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water
tank- and now
> > > there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont
know how im
> > > going to get those out from behind there, and the shower
area(SB).....
> > > Any ideas????? HELP!!!
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03-05-2006, 08:55

Just paid abou $175 for the 1/2-3/4 inch combo tool
Glenn Shehorn
83FC35
Kansas City MO
----- Original Message -----
From: erniecarpet@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!

with that pex tubing, you have to have a special crimper for the joints and
those babies are expensive. ernie-83pt40 in louisiana

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03-05-2006, 08:57

Thanks Mike. I will check it out, but I don't think so. I can see the one
under the sink and I believe it was set around 40 degrees. The one under the
bed I just haven't gotten around to yet. All in good time. Hopefully it won't
be something that I need right now. It's almost 60 degrees here now.

Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
1983 WL FC35RB

FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
----- Original Message -----
From: mbulriss
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Water Leaks!

Bruce -

The freeze heaters on my 83 had an adjustable thermostat on each of
them. Mine were set to kick on at about 35 degrees or so. Maybe
someone turned yours up higher if they are running at temps well above
freezing.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Morris" <bamnc@...> wrote:
>
> Yes Tom. I know about the freeze heaters and they are still there.
However I doubt that they are working as they were designed. They
seemed to run a whole lot more than they should when the ambient
temperature was well above freezing. Like many things in a 20+ year
old Bird they just need attention and since I was incapacitated for
most of the last 4 or 5 years I am playing catch up.
>
> I am familiar with the tape that has the thermostat in the end and I
haven't pulled one of the blue wires yet to check it, but am under the
impression that there was no mechanism at the end of the wire. I'll
learn more when I can see one that is intact.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Warner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
> Bruce if you have the coach as it was originally built you should
> have a freeze protector (electric heater with blower) installed near
> the water tank and another in the area of the kitchen sink. These are
> thermostatically controlled and will keep the pipes from freezing.
> The blue heat tape is further protection and is a resistance tape
> that is controlled by a thermostat molded in at the end of the tape.
>
> tom warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon Center,NY
>
> At 09:34 AM 3/5/2006, you wrote:
> >Well Tom, as I said earlier I don't winterize my Bird but I do keep
> >it connected to electricity and keep heat in it when it gets too
> >cold. Maybe it's just a "Bruce" thing.
> >
> >I know that my Bird came from New Hampshire where it probably got
> >cold enough to be a problem. All of the problems I have encountered
> >did not occur on my watch, but I have to deal with them. I suspect
> >the same thing is true of Bruce in Florida too since I believe he
> >just bought the coach from someplace up north.
> >
> >So I guess you are right neither one of us followed the procedures
> >as outlined in the Blue Box.
> >
> >Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> >Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> >1983 WL FC35RB
> >
> >FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
> >Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
> >
> >
> > The fact that you both have frozen pipes begs the question of
whether
> > either of you properly followed the procedures for winterizing
your
> > fresh, grey and black water systems that is outlined in your
> > owners manuals?
> >
> > tom warner
> > 1982 FC35
> > Vernon center,NY
> >
> > At 09:52 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now.
It looks
> > >like I am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace
> > >them. The ones that had not burst were expanded so that none
of the
> > >standard fittings will work. So, to do it right I have
decided to
> > >replace the copper with PEX which is supposed to be resistant to
> > >bursting if frozen and it supposed to be much easier to work
with in
> > >tight areas.
> > >
> > >I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine
apart,
> > >but I still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it
in the
> > >next few days . . . one way or the other.
> > >
> > >Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
> > >Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
> > >1983 WL FC35RB
> > >
> > >FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
> > >Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Stephen
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going
through? I have
> > > Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the
copper water
> > > pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a
unit from up
> > > north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water
tank- and now
> > > there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont
know how im
> > > going to get those out from behind there, and the shower
area(SB).....
> > > Any ideas????? HELP!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > > 81 FC-33SB
> > > Plant City, FL
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03-05-2006, 09:07

You got that right. I think the one I bought for 1/2 inch was pushing $100.00.
But in the long run I figured that if it allowed me to do the work it would more
than pay for itself and if I can help someone else in our community then it is
even a better deal.

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1983 WL FC35RB

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Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!

Just paid abou $175 for the 1/2-3/4 inch combo tool
Glenn Shehorn
83FC35
Kansas City MO
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with that pex tubing, you have to have a special crimper for the joints and
those babies are expensive. ernie-83pt40 in louisiana

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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
>
> Bruce if you have the coach as it was originally built you should
> have a freeze protector (electric heater with blower) installed
near
> the water tank and another in the area of the kitchen sink. These
are
> thermostatically controlled and will keep the pipes from freezing.
> The blue heat tape is further protection and is a resistance tape
> that is controlled by a thermostat molded in at the end of the tape.
>
> tom warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon Center,NY
>
> At 09:34 AM 3/5/2006, you wrote:
> >Well Tom, as I said earlier I don't winterize my Bird but I do
keep
> >it connected to electricity and keep heat in it when it gets too
> >cold. Maybe it's just a "Bruce" thing.
> >
> >I know that my Bird came from New Hampshire where it probably got
> >cold enough to be a problem. All of the problems I have
encountered
> >did not occur on my watch, but I have to deal with them. I
suspect
> >the same thing is true of Bruce in Florida too since I believe he
> >just bought the coach from someplace up north.
> >
> >So I guess you are right neither one of us followed the procedures
> >as outlined in the Blue Box.
> >
> >Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
> >
> >
> > The fact that you both have frozen pipes begs the question of
whether
> > either of you properly followed the procedures for winterizing
your
> > fresh, grey and black water systems that is outlined in your
> > owners manuals?
> >
> > tom warner
> > 1982 FC35
> > Vernon center,NY
> >
> > At 09:52 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It
looks
> > >like I am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace
> > >them. The ones that had not burst were expanded so that none
of the
> > >standard fittings will work. So, to do it right I have
decided to
> > >replace the copper with PEX which is supposed to be resistant
to
> > >bursting if frozen and it supposed to be much easier to work
with in
> > >tight areas.
> > >
> > >I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine
apart,
> > >but I still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in
the
> > >next few days . . . one way or the other.
> > >
> > >Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
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> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
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> > > Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going
through? I have
> > > Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the
copper water
> > > pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a
unit from up
> > > north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water
tank- and now
> > > there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont
know how im
> > > going to get those out from behind there, and the shower
area(SB).....
> > > Any ideas????? HELP!!!
> > >
> > >
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> > > 81 FC-33SB
> > > Plant City, FL
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>Does anyone here know where I can get one of those electical
opperated heaters? I do not have one but would like to install one.

Jon Lechich
1978 Wanderlodge
Bremerton Washington

03-05-2006, 14:08

Pex makes a connector that works like copper tubing connector. No
ferrel needed. The pex connectors come in all configurations. elbows,
unions. I have used them for years. Cut tubing slide nut over tubing
push fitting into tubing screw nut till it is tight. Just to make
sure this would work, i heated water in tubing to 175 degrees and 100
psi no leaks and no failures. Did this right the water heater outlet
line. 6 years later no problems, and they work in cramped spaces, no
need for the long handle crimpers. Also much less costly.
Greg