Water pump problem

[Keith Strehle]

The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the pump
starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit breakers?
I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a fuse
protected circuit?

Keith
84FC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> The pump is pretty durable, but it may be partially clogged and/or
> need a rebuild causing it to overheat. That might cause a circuit
> breaker to trip then reset. (Don't know where they are on your
year.)
> I'd guess that the expansion tank would need about 40# as that's
what
> the operating pressure is ... but it may be lower. The pressure in
> the tank allows the pump to run at a constant speed until the
> pressure in the system is "right". Then the tank provides the
> pressure until it drops to the point where the pump kicks on again.
>
> If the water pressure at a faucet isn't significantly changing as
the
> pump cycles on-off-on, then the problem may not be the expansion
tank
> at all.
>
> If the pump needs a rebuild, kits are available for a modest cost
> $20~30 or so. Most often, the pump will 'seep' at the joint in the
> case between the motor and the pump section if it needs a rebuild --

> but perhaps not.
>
> If you find the circuit breakers, swap the one for the pump
circuit
> for another one with a similar rating. It could be a faulty
breaker
> instead of the pump, but that's not as likely. Even if it is the
> breaker tripping, you'll need to determine why the breaker trips.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Keith Strehle wrote:
>
> > Thanks Pete, I was wondering what the tank was for. That makes
> > perfect sense. How much pressure should I put in it? I also
thought
> > of overheating but the coach is very lightly used? Doesn't seem
like
> > the pump is worn out?
> >
> > Thanks, Keith
> > 84FCSB
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The expansion tank may have lost its 'charge' of air. There's a
> > tire-
> >> valve nipple on the top that you can use to 'pump up' the
> > pressure.
> >> Or the expansion tank may have had the diaphragm fail --
replacing
> >> the tank is the only solution then. Or, you might want to try the
> >> variable speed pump option -- replace your pump(s) and expansion
> > tank
> >> with the Shurflow variable speed pump. Caution - this option will
> >> raise your coach water pressure to 65lbs when you're on the pump.
> > Be
> >> sure your plumbing can handle it.
> >>
> >> There may be other reasons for the pump to act up as well..
> > possible
> >> overheating?
> >>
> >> Pete Masterson
> >> aeonix1@
> >> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> >> El Sobrante, CA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 7, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Keith Strehle wrote:
> >>
> >>> The water pump in my coach stops suddenly and starts again
within
> > a
> >>> minute or less. Any ideas what may be causing it?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Keith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -----------------
--
> > -
> >>> ~-->
> >>> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email
> >>> design.
> >>> http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/.../pkiolB/TM
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > --
> >>> ~->
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------
-
> > ~-->
> > Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email
> > design.
> > http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/.../pkiolB/TM
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> > ~->
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[ernieekberg@...>]

Keith- Pete is correct- old-brain-itis sometimes gets the best of me
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston,Montana
"POO-DOO-EXPRESS"
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Strehle
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Water pump problem


Ernie, is that the same as the expansion tank Pete mentioned. I do
remember fooling around with the schrader valve when I first got the
bus. I don't remember if I had the problem before that or not? I'm
going to pump some air ito it and see what happens.

Keith
San Diego
84FC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Keith- i wonder if your accumulator tank is working as it was
designed. My pump runs all the time- accumulator tank- shot.
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston,Montana
> "POO-DOO-EXPRESS"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Strehle
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:26 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Water pump problem
>
>
> It is when the faucet is open. It stops, then restarts. 12 volt
> circuit breakers? Where would that be located? And what does it
> look like?
>
> Keith
> 84FCSB
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Wheeler"
> wrote:
> >
> > Keith,
> >
> > If you are talking about this happening when you have a faucet
open
> and
> > water running then it is tripping the circuit breaker for some
> reason. The
> > breakers do an auto reset. If it is when the pump is on but all
> faucets are
> > off then there is a leak. This is usually in the fill valve or
the
> water
> > heater drain valve. Either one will let water from the pressure
> side flow
> > back to the fresh water tank.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Chuck Wheeler -
> >
> > 82 FC 31 SB
> >
> > Fort Worth, TX
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith
Strehle
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:58 PM
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water pump problem
> >
> >
> >
> > The water pump in my coach stops suddenly and starts again
within a
> > minute or less. Any ideas what may be causing it?
> >
> > Thanks Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Pete Masterson]

The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal
boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume that
the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can be
pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the regular
fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse
socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically larger. I
have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers behind a
panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a panel
in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/
invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't seen/
found yet.

Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to have
brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids
having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse
unnecessarily.

I note that some after market installations also include a fuse
holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I
recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance in
an 'inline' fuse holder.

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA




On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote:

> The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the pump
> starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit breakers?
> I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a fuse
> protected circuit?



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Keith Strehle]

Haven't seen anything that fits that description? But there are some
small barrel shaped gadgets near the fuse panels. I'm gonna drag ou
the books and have a look.

Thanks again,
Keith 84FC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal
> boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume
that
> the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can be
> pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the
regular
> fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse
> socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically larger.
I
> have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers behind
a
> panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a
panel
> in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/
> invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't
seen/
> found yet.
>
> Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to
have
> brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids
> having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse
> unnecessarily.
>
> I note that some after market installations also include a fuse
> holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I
> recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance
in
> an 'inline' fuse holder.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote:
>
> > The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the
pump
> > starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit
breakers?
> > I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a
fuse
> > protected circuit?
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Curt Sprenger]

Keith,

Go to this site and you will see DC circuit breakers.

http://www.wiringproducts.com/?target=de...odwCp\
e2w

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, Calif.



Keith Strehle wrote:

> Haven't seen anything that fits that description? But there are some
> small barrel shaped gadgets near the fuse panels. I'm gonna drag ou
> the books and have a look.
>
> Thanks again,
> Keith 84FC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , Pete Masterson
> wrote:
> >
> > The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal
> > boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume
> that
> > the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can be
> > pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the
> regular
> > fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse
> > socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically larger.
> I
> > have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers behind
> a
> > panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a
> panel
> > in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/
> > invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't
> seen/
> > found yet.
> >
> > Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to
> have
> > brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids
> > having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse
> > unnecessarily.
> >
> > I note that some after market installations also include a fuse
> > holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I
> > recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance
> in
> > an 'inline' fuse holder.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > aeonix1@...
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > El Sobrante, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote:
> >
> > > The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the
> pump
> > > starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit
> breakers?
> > > I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a
> fuse
> > > protected circuit?
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Keith:

The c/b for the water pump is located in the left rear load center (drivers
side bedroom overhead cabinet. Should be a green wire (I think # 31)

Honestly sounds like an internal short in the pump motor, I just replaced
one of those my self doing much the same. If in fact it is the c/b tripping
and re setting.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35
Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma

At 12:26 AM 3/8/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>Haven't seen anything that fits that description? But there are some
>small barrel shaped gadgets near the fuse panels. I'm gonna drag ou
>the books and have a look.
>
>Thanks again,
>Keith 84FC
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
>wrote:
> >
> > The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal
> > boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume
>that
> > the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can be
> > pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the
>regular
> > fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse
> > socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically larger.
>I
> > have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers behind
>a
> > panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a
>panel
> > in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/
> > invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't
>seen/
> > found yet.
> >
> > Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to
>have
> > brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids
> > having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse
> > unnecessarily.
> >
> > I note that some after market installations also include a fuse
> > holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I
> > recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance
>in
> > an 'inline' fuse holder.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > aeonix1@...
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > El Sobrante, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote:
> >
> > > The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the
>pump
> > > starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit
>breakers?
> > > I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be a
>fuse
> > > protected circuit?
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35
Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma

[krminyl@...]

If my memory serves me correctly, I think that tank is supposed to be
pressurized to something like 10-15lb only. I don't have mine anymore, but
there
is supposed to be a tag or label around the schraeder valve that gives the max
pressure it's supposed to have. I think 50 PSI is way high...

Kevn McKeown
Yorba Linda, CA
1986 38' PT



**************************************
AOL now offers free
email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at
http://www.aol.com.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Keith Strehle]

Thanks Ralph, I'll take a look for the circuit breaker this
weekend. Last night I pumped some air into the expansion tank, about
50lb. There was water in the expansion tank. I don't know but I'm
guessing that ain't good? However, the shower only stopped once,
rather that the normal 2 or 3 times.

Keith
84FC


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
>
> Keith:
>
> The c/b for the water pump is located in the left rear load center
(drivers
> side bedroom overhead cabinet. Should be a green wire (I think # 31)
>
> Honestly sounds like an internal short in the pump motor, I just
replaced
> one of those my self doing much the same. If in fact it is the c/b
tripping
> and re setting.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 12:26 AM 3/8/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> >Haven't seen anything that fits that description? But there are
some
> >small barrel shaped gadgets near the fuse panels. I'm gonna drag
ou
> >the books and have a look.
> >
> >Thanks again,
> >Keith 84FC
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > The circuit breakers (on my coach) look like little oblong metal
> > > boxes with a little metal tab sticking out of a slot. I presume
> >that
> > > the tripped breaker will have the tab stick out more (so it can
be
> > > pushed in to reset). They are in the same fuse holders as the
> >regular
> > > fuses and have the same dual blade "plug" that goes in the fuse
> > > socket like the regular fuses, although they're physically
larger.
> >I
> > > have an electrical panel with a gazillion fuses and breakers
behind
> >a
> > > panel on the front of the coach. (Open from outside.) and on a
> >panel
> > > in the back closet (over the engine) that's nearly inaccessible/
> > > invisible. There may be another panel somewhere that I haven't
> >seen/
> > > found yet.
> > >
> > > Circuit breakers are used on circuits that might be expected to
> >have
> > > brief overdraws where an automatic reset is desirable. It avoids
> > > having a "normal" situation force having to replace a fuse
> > > unnecessarily.
> > >
> > > I note that some after market installations also include a fuse
> > > holder with the appliance (e.g. the new variable speed pump I
> > > recently installed). Those are usually fairly near the appliance
> >in
> > > an 'inline' fuse holder.
> > >
> > > Pete Masterson
> > > aeonix1@
> > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > > El Sobrante, CA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Keith Strehle wrote:
> > >
> > > > The water stops completely. Just for 30 seconds or so and the
> >pump
> > > > starts again. I'm a little baffled by the 12 volt circuit
> >breakers?
> > > > I have no idea what they look like? Wouldn't his normally be
a
> >fuse
> > > > protected circuit?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
>

[Pete Masterson]

The accumulator tank is supposed to have about 1/2 water and 1/2 air
inside. The pump is supposed to pressurize the water against a rubber
diaphragm (water does not compress -- but the air compresses to
maintain the water pressure). If the air leaks out, then the tank
stops providing (sufficient) pressure to the water to make up for the
cycling of the pump. The diaphragm in the tank can (eventually)
degrade, requiring replacement of the tank. If water comes out of the
air valve, the diaphragm may have a leak. If there is air/water
contact (no diaphragm or leaking diaphragm) then the air will
eventually dissolve into the water, requiring the tank to be
'recharged' frequently.

Tanks come in a variety of sizes, but a replacement should be sized
approximately the same as the original. Using a larger tank will
simply require more pumping to bring up to pressure, potentially
overworking the pump. A too-small tank will run out of pressure too
soon, requiring the pump to run sooner-also overworking the pump.

Replacing the pump with a variable speed pump will allow elimination
of the accumulator tank.

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA




On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Keith Strehle wrote:

> Thanks Ralph, I'll take a look for the circuit breaker this
> weekend. Last night I pumped some air into the expansion tank, about
> 50lb. There was water in the expansion tank. I don't know but I'm
> guessing that ain't good? However, the shower only stopped once,
> rather that the normal 2 or 3 times.
>
> Keith
> 84FC
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Keith Strehle]

Thanks Pete, I'll eventually upgrade to a variable speed pump. But
for right now it works (most of the time) and I'll concentrate on
stuff that does not work, like the microwave and the fridge. I
really do appreciate all the help.

Keith
84FC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> The accumulator tank is supposed to have about 1/2 water and 1/2
air
> inside. The pump is supposed to pressurize the water against a
rubber
> diaphragm (water does not compress -- but the air compresses to
> maintain the water pressure). If the air leaks out, then the tank
> stops providing (sufficient) pressure to the water to make up for
the
> cycling of the pump. The diaphragm in the tank can (eventually)
> degrade, requiring replacement of the tank. If water comes out of
the
> air valve, the diaphragm may have a leak. If there is air/water
> contact (no diaphragm or leaking diaphragm) then the air will
> eventually dissolve into the water, requiring the tank to be
> 'recharged' frequently.
>
> Tanks come in a variety of sizes, but a replacement should be
sized
> approximately the same as the original. Using a larger tank will
> simply require more pumping to bring up to pressure, potentially
> overworking the pump. A too-small tank will run out of pressure
too
> soon, requiring the pump to run sooner-also overworking the pump.
>
> Replacing the pump with a variable speed pump will allow
elimination
> of the accumulator tank.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Keith Strehle wrote:
>
> > Thanks Ralph, I'll take a look for the circuit breaker this
> > weekend. Last night I pumped some air into the expansion tank,
about
> > 50lb. There was water in the expansion tank. I don't know but
I'm
> > guessing that ain't good? However, the shower only stopped once,
> > rather that the normal 2 or 3 times.
> >
> > Keith
> > 84FC
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>