'80 35FC present parket value help needed please

[krminyl@...]

Fix the darn thing, and keep it. If it's paid for, and you don't need the
money to pay for a life-saving surgery, keep it. How can you get rid of
something that sounds like you really enjoy?

Your issues are little things, and once fixed, you'll be glad you kept
it...really.

Kevin Mc
YL CA'
86 38PT


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Adria Haynes]

Gurus,

It seems that since we bought our beloved 1980 35 FC three summers
ago - the market went through the floor. It's a bummer, but it is
what it is.

We are now thinking of selling it and I'd like some help
establishing what a realistic price range is for what I have.

Like I said, it's a 1980 35FC BB Wanderlodge. Rear queen bed setup
and a desk in the front between the curb side closet and couch.
It's got 99k miles on the bus and 33k miles on a brand new factory
replacement 3208 catapillar diesel and the original 4 speed
allison. It starts up almost instantly everytime (when the
batteries are charged), runs excellent, shifts perfectly and I
actually LOVE to drive the darn thing for some reason.

I'm told that it has the swing out radiator, and the generator is a
big Kohler diesel that also starts everytime. It has a newer toilet
and a heated marble floor. As far as I know, the only thing is
needs is the water heater element replaced and everything else seems
to work fine.

The outside needs paint. It's lived outside and it shows. The
tires don't all match, but all have plenty of tread and I'd use them
on a long trip tomorrow if I had to without worry. The aluminum
wheels could be brought back, but I'd probably spring for chome
liners first.

3 furnaces, 3 roof airs, zip-dee awning, etc. - all the typical bone
stock 1980 features.

Anyways, I know the exterior conditions are points against, but I
figure the new motor should help to balance that out to some degree
for a true BB enthusiast.

Anyways, I've seen where some garage queens are still up for sale in
the upper 30's, so - given my description, would $32k be a
reasonable starting point? If not, please tell me what is.

I hate to see it go, but it may be inevitable.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

[Adria Haynes]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, krminyl@... wrote:
>
> Fix the darn thing, and keep it. If it's paid for, and you don't
need the
> money to pay for a life-saving surgery, keep it. How can you get
rid of
> something that sounds like you really enjoy?
>
> Your issues are little things, and once fixed, you'll be glad you
kept
> it...really.
>
> Kevin Mc
> YL CA'
> 86 38PT
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well it's not paid for - not even close. We DO enjoy it when we use
it, but it isn't often enough to justify the expense and our
situations and priorities have changed. We just had our 4th child
and our oldest just started private kindergarten. They are 5,4,2,
and new.
>
I figured that they could go to public schools, and my wife thought
they should all go to private schools.

I decided to compromise and send them to private schools. Such a
compromise requires evaluating outgoing cashflows, justifying those
expenses, and making adjustments accordingly.

It's not something I need to do TODAY, but I don't see us deciding
to continue to keep it for long. Emotions are really the only thing
keeping it here so far.

[Eric Johnson]

Hello Adria,
I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the market for preowned BB's has "gone
through
the floor". The entire motorhome market, just like the house market, is a bit
soft now due
to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but should come back in time as people
and the
economy adjust to these new realities. The older coaches, if well maintained,
are a real
bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near the rate of a new coach and
FC's are
fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.

If I were selling my coach today I would do the following:
1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
2. Draft a complete and accurate description of the coach
3. Collect and organize all available maintenance records
4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum and Vintage Bird listings for
comparables.
5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any completed comparable sales.
6. Adjust my price up or down against the comparable listings for known
difficiencies or
advantages.
7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach with the family and ask myself if
I really
want to sell it.
8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned in step 4.
9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come along.

Regards, Eric in San Antonio
84FC35SBWL2

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes" <mrbeebody@...> wrote:
>
> Gurus,
>
> It seems that since we bought our beloved 1980 35 FC three summers
> ago - the market went through the floor. It's a bummer, but it is
> what it is.
>
> We are now thinking of selling it and I'd like some help
> establishing what a realistic price range is for what I have.
>
> Like I said, it's a 1980 35FC BB Wanderlodge. Rear queen bed setup
> and a desk in the front between the curb side closet and couch.
> It's got 99k miles on the bus and 33k miles on a brand new factory
> replacement 3208 catapillar diesel and the original 4 speed
> allison. It starts up almost instantly everytime (when the
> batteries are charged), runs excellent, shifts perfectly and I
> actually LOVE to drive the darn thing for some reason.
>
> I'm told that it has the swing out radiator, and the generator is a
> big Kohler diesel that also starts everytime. It has a newer toilet
> and a heated marble floor. As far as I know, the only thing is
> needs is the water heater element replaced and everything else seems
> to work fine.
>
> The outside needs paint. It's lived outside and it shows. The
> tires don't all match, but all have plenty of tread and I'd use them
> on a long trip tomorrow if I had to without worry. The aluminum
> wheels could be brought back, but I'd probably spring for chome
> liners first.
>
> 3 furnaces, 3 roof airs, zip-dee awning, etc. - all the typical bone
> stock 1980 features.
>
> Anyways, I know the exterior conditions are points against, but I
> figure the new motor should help to balance that out to some degree
> for a true BB enthusiast.
>
> Anyways, I've seen where some garage queens are still up for sale in
> the upper 30's, so - given my description, would $32k be a
> reasonable starting point? If not, please tell me what is.
>
> I hate to see it go, but it may be inevitable.
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.
>

[djlcanuck]

And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n for the right bird
to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells for the price
you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be happy you kept
her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two of mine for a
good bird.

Doug Long
Edmonton
Wanabee
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson"
wrote:
>
> Hello Adria,
> I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the market for preowned
BB's has "gone through
> the floor". The entire motorhome market, just like the house
market, is a bit soft now due
> to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but should come back in
time as people and the
> economy adjust to these new realities. The older coaches, if well
maintained, are a real
> bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near the rate of a new
coach and FC's are
> fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.
>
> If I were selling my coach today I would do the following:
> 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
> 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of the coach
> 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance records
> 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum and Vintage Bird
listings for
> comparables.
> 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any completed comparable
sales.
> 6. Adjust my price up or down against the comparable listings for
known difficiencies or
> advantages.
> 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach with the family and
ask myself if I really
> want to sell it.
> 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned in step 4.
> 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come along.
>
> Regards, Eric in San Antonio
> 84FC35SBWL2
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes"
<mrbeebody@> wrote:
> >
> > Gurus,
> >
> > It seems that since we bought our beloved 1980 35 FC three
summers
> > ago - the market went through the floor. It's a bummer, but it
is
> > what it is.
> >
> > We are now thinking of selling it and I'd like some help
> > establishing what a realistic price range is for what I have.
> >
> > Like I said, it's a 1980 35FC BB Wanderlodge. Rear queen bed
setup
> > and a desk in the front between the curb side closet and couch.
> > It's got 99k miles on the bus and 33k miles on a brand new
factory
> > replacement 3208 catapillar diesel and the original 4 speed
> > allison. It starts up almost instantly everytime (when the
> > batteries are charged), runs excellent, shifts perfectly and I
> > actually LOVE to drive the darn thing for some reason.
> >
> > I'm told that it has the swing out radiator, and the generator is
a
> > big Kohler diesel that also starts everytime. It has a newer
toilet
> > and a heated marble floor. As far as I know, the only thing is
> > needs is the water heater element replaced and everything else
seems
> > to work fine.
> >
> > The outside needs paint. It's lived outside and it shows. The
> > tires don't all match, but all have plenty of tread and I'd use
them
> > on a long trip tomorrow if I had to without worry. The aluminum
> > wheels could be brought back, but I'd probably spring for chome
> > liners first.
> >
> > 3 furnaces, 3 roof airs, zip-dee awning, etc. - all the typical
bone
> > stock 1980 features.
> >
> > Anyways, I know the exterior conditions are points against, but I
> > figure the new motor should help to balance that out to some
degree
> > for a true BB enthusiast.
> >
> > Anyways, I've seen where some garage queens are still up for sale
in
> > the upper 30's, so - given my description, would $32k be a
> > reasonable starting point? If not, please tell me what is.
> >
> > I hate to see it go, but it may be inevitable.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.
> >
>

[johngilmoremd@...]

Hello Doug,

I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking. Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35.
We had a lot of fun and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due to
schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just didn't think we would be
camping much for a while.

So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter and 11 year old son we have
caught the camping and weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer actually, just to make it easier
to store.

Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the head...there was my coach listed on a
local site for sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC 35 in almost
perfect condition! I sent an email with 20 questions to the dealer who had
accepted it as trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions, had no idea.

Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it. The experience was so
nostalgic that it's hard to describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted
to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I believe they were
intimidated by the cockpit and the intricate workings of the coach. So I got the
newbie sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught him about the coach
over the next 3 hours.

This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake brake, new fridge, ducted air,
nice sound system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and even has a good
picture. Back up cam works great and every appliance functions properly. She has
the original paint and it looks good....orange and brown. Apparently was stored
indoors. The diamond plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated spare tire
holder on the top at the back with a winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I
didn't have an opportunity to pull the front panels to verify that the rad is
mod for swing out but I did see some hinges which looked like they dropped the
bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every switch, button and control
that I checked worked fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny started
right up. Doghouse has the original sound and heat proofing material. Front air
and heat works great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The interior looks
like it has had very little wear. Tires are practically new and match all the
way around.

I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well this baby had been loved over
the years. She drove like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by asking
more questions. When were the injectors last replaced? (2002) Are they sure
about the mileage? (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I offered them
half what they were asking. After several more go 'rounds with the sales manager
they accepted the offer.

Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is back down to $2.39 I'm going
to fill the tank and get ready for next weekend.

That having all been said, this particular coach needs to go to a full timer.
It's too sweet to sit and only be occasionally used. I will most likely look to
trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale to the right person. I don't see
these coaches as just commodities to be bought and sold. They are fine machines
and should be owned by individuals who understand and appreciate them.

So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.

-Jack
83 FC 35
Houston

-----Original Message-----
From: dj.long@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help needed
please

And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n for the right bird

to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells for the price

you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be happy you kept

her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two of mine for a

good bird.



Doug Long

Edmonton

Wanabee

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson"

wrote:

>

> Hello Adria,

> I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the market for preowned

BB's has "gone through

> the floor". The entire motorhome market, just like the house

market, is a bit soft now due

> to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but should come back in

time as people and the

> economy adjust to these new realities. The older coaches, if well

maintained, are a real

> bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near the rate of a new

coach and FC's are

> fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.

>

> If I were selling my coach today I would do the following:

> 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos

> 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of the coach

> 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance records

> 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum and Vintage Bird

listings for

> comparables.

> 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any completed comparable

sales.

> 6. Adjust my price up or down against the comparable listings for

known difficiencies or

> advantages.

> 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach with the family and

ask myself if I really

> want to sell it.

> 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned in step 4.

> 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come along.

>

> Regards, Eric in San Antonio

> 84FC35SBWL2

>

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes"

<mrbeebody@> wrote:

> >

> > Gurus,

> >

> > It seems that since we bought our beloved 1980 35 FC three

summers

> > ago - the market went through the floor. It's a bummer, but it

is

> > what it is.

> >

> > We are now thinking of selling it and I'd like some help

> > establishing what a realistic price range is for what I have.

> >

> > Like I said, it's a 1980 35FC BB Wanderlodge. Rear queen bed

setup

> > and a desk in the front between the curb side closet and couch.

> > It's got 99k miles on the bus and 33k miles on a brand new

factory

> > replacement 3208 catapillar diesel and the original 4 speed

> > allison. It starts up almost instantly everytime (when the

> > batteries are charged), runs excellent, shifts perfectly and I

> > actually LOVE to drive the darn thing for some reason.

> >

> > I'm told that it has the swing out radiator, and the generator is

a

> > big Kohler diesel that also starts everytime. It has a newer

toilet

> > and a heated marble floor. As far as I know, the only thing is

> > needs is the water heater element replaced and everything else

seems

> > to work fine.

> >

> > The outside needs paint. It's lived outside and it shows. The

> > tires don't all match, but all have plenty of tread and I'd use

them

> > on a long trip tomorrow if I had to without worry. The aluminum

> > wheels could be brought back, but I'd probably spring for chome

> > liners first.

> >

> > 3 furnaces, 3 roof airs, zip-dee awning, etc. - all the typical

bone

> > stock 1980 features.

> >

> > Anyways, I know the exterior conditions are points against, but I

> > figure the new motor should help to balance that out to some

degree

> > for a true BB enthusiast.

> >

> > Anyways, I've seen where some garage queens are still up for sale

in

> > the upper 30's, so - given my description, would $32k be a

> > reasonable starting point? If not, please tell me what is.

> >

> > I hate to see it go, but it may be inevitable.

> >

> > Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

> >

>





















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[Tom]

Hi Jack,

Are you looking to sell your Bird?

Tom- Who is looking for the right BB
Boatman1197@...

johngilmoremd@... wrote:
Hello Doug,

I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking. Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35.
We had a lot of fun and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due to
schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just didn't think we would be
camping much for a while.

So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter and 11 year old son we have
caught the camping and weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer actually, just to make it
easier to store.

Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the head...there was my coach listed on a
local site for sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC 35 in
almost perfect condition! I sent an email with 20 questions to the dealer who
had accepted it as trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions, had no
idea.

Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it. The experience was so
nostalgic that it's hard to describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons
wanted to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I believe they were
intimidated by the cockpit and the intricate workings of the coach. So I got
the newbie sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught him about the
coach over the next 3 hours.

This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake brake, new fridge, ducted air,
nice sound system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and even has a good
picture. Back up cam works great and every appliance functions properly. She
has the original paint and it looks good....orange and brown. Apparently was
stored indoors. The diamond plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
spare tire holder on the top at the back with a winch mechanism to load/unload
the spare. I didn't have an opportunity to pull the front panels to verify that
the rad is mod for swing out but I did see some hinges which looked like they
dropped the bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every switch, button
and control that I checked worked fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the
genny started right up. Doghouse has the original sound and heat proofing
material. Front air and heat works great. Even the misters on the wipers work.
The interior looks like it has had
very little wear. Tires are practically new and match all the way around.

I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well this baby had been loved
over the years. She drove like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by
asking more questions. When were the injectors last replaced? (2002) Are they
sure about the mileage? (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I offered
them half what they were asking. After several more go 'rounds with the sales
manager they accepted the offer.

Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is back down to $2.39 I'm
going to fill the tank and get ready for next weekend.

That having all been said, this particular coach needs to go to a full timer.
It's too sweet to sit and only be occasionally used. I will most likely look to
trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale to the right person. I don't see
these coaches as just commodities to be bought and sold. They are fine machines
and should be owned by individuals who understand and appreciate them.

So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.

-Jack
83 FC 35
Houston

-----Original Message-----
From: dj.long@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help needed
please

And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n for the right bird

to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells for the price

you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be happy you kept

her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two of mine for a

good bird.

Doug Long

Edmonton

Wanabee

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson"

wrote:

>

> Hello Adria,

> I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the market for preowned

BB's has "gone through

> the floor". The entire motorhome market, just like the house

market, is a bit soft now due

> to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but should come back in

time as people and the

> economy adjust to these new realities. The older coaches, if well

maintained, are a real

> bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near the rate of a new

coach and FC's are

> fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.

>

> If I were selling my coach today I would do the following:

> 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos

> 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of the coach

> 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance records

> 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum and Vintage Bird

listings for

> comparables.

> 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any completed comparable

sales.

> 6. Adjust my price up or down against the comparable listings for

known difficiencies or

> advantages.

> 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach with the family and

ask myself if I really

> want to sell it.

> 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned in step 4.

> 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come along.

>

> Regards, Eric in San Antonio

> 84FC35SBWL2

>

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes"

<mrbeebody@> wrote:

> >

> > Gurus,

> >

> > It seems that since we bought our beloved 1980 35 FC three

summers

> > ago - the market went through the floor. It's a bummer, but it

is

> > what it is.

> >

> > We are now thinking of selling it and I'd like some help

> > establishing what a realistic price range is for what I have.

> >

> > Like I said, it's a 1980 35FC BB Wanderlodge. Rear queen bed

setup

> > and a desk in the front between the curb side closet and couch.

> > It's got 99k miles on the bus and 33k miles on a brand new

factory

> > replacement 3208 catapillar diesel and the original 4 speed

> > allison. It starts up almost instantly everytime (when the

> > batteries are charged), runs excellent, shifts perfectly and I

> > actually LOVE to drive the darn thing for some reason.

> >

> > I'm told that it has the swing out radiator, and the generator is

a

> > big Kohler diesel that also starts everytime. It has a newer

toilet

> > and a heated marble floor. As far as I know, the only thing is

> > needs is the water heater element replaced and everything else

seems

> > to work fine.

> >

> > The outside needs paint. It's lived outside and it shows. The

> > tires don't all match, but all have plenty of tread and I'd use

them

> > on a long trip tomorrow if I had to without worry. The aluminum

> > wheels could be brought back, but I'd probably spring for chome

> > liners first.

> >

> > 3 furnaces, 3 roof airs, zip-dee awning, etc. - all the typical

bone

> > stock 1980 features.

> >

> > Anyways, I know the exterior conditions are points against, but I

> > figure the new motor should help to balance that out to some

degree

> > for a true BB enthusiast.

> >

> > Anyways, I've seen where some garage queens are still up for sale

in

> > the upper 30's, so - given my description, would $32k be a

> > reasonable starting point? If not, please tell me what is.

> >

> > I hate to see it go, but it may be inevitable.

> >

> > Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

> >

>

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[GLOBE1969]

Hello:
I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want
to sell.
Gail Remy

--- johngilmoremd@... wrote:

> Hello Doug,
>
> I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.
> Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun
> and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due
> to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just
> didn't think we would be camping much for a while.
>
> So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter
> and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and
> weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
> hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer
> actually, just to make it easier to store.
>
> Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the
> head...there was my coach listed on a local site for
> sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC
> 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with
> 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as
> trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,
> had no idea.
>
> Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.
> The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to
> describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted
> to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I
> believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the
> intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie
> sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught
> him about the coach over the next 3 hours.
>
> This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake
> brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound
> system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and
> even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and
> every appliance functions properly. She has the
> original paint and it looks good....orange and
> brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond
> plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
> spare tire holder on the top at the back with a
> winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't
> have an opportunity to pull the front panels to
> verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did
> see some hinges which looked like they dropped the
> bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every
> switch, button and control that I checked worked
> fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny
> started right up. Doghouse has the original sound
> and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works
> great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The
> interior looks like it has had very little wear.
> Tires are practically new and match all the way
> around.
>
> I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well
> this baby had been loved over the years. She drove
> like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by
> asking more questions. When were the injectors last
> replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?
> (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I
> offered them half what they were asking. After
> several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they
> accepted the offer.
>
> Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is
> back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and
> get ready for next weekend.
>
> That having all been said, this particular coach
> needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit
> and only be occasionally used. I will most likely
> look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale
> to the right person. I don't see these coaches as
> just commodities to be bought and sold. They are
> fine machines and should be owned by individuals who
> understand and appreciate them.
>
> So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.
>
> -Jack
> 83 FC 35
> Houston
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dj.long@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> parket value help needed please
>
> And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> for the right bird
>
> to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> for the price
>
> you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> happy you kept
>
> her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> of mine for a
>
> good bird.
>
>
>
> Doug Long
>
> Edmonton
>
> Wanabee
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
> Johnson"
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hello Adria,
>
> > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the
> market for preowned
>
> BB's has "gone through
>
> > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just
> like the house
>
> market, is a bit soft now due
>
> > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but
> should come back in
>
> time as people and the
>
> > economy adjust to these new realities. The older
> coaches, if well
>
> maintained, are a real
>
> > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near
> the rate of a new
>
> coach and FC's are
>
> > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.
>
> >
>
> > If I were selling my coach today I would do the
> following:
>
> > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
>
> > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of
> the coach
>
> > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance
> records
>
> > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum
> and Vintage Bird
>
> listings for
>
> > comparables.
>
> > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any
> completed comparable
>
> sales.
>
> > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the
> comparable listings for
>
> known difficiencies or
>
> > advantages.
>
> > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach
> with the family and
>
> ask myself if I really
>
> > want to sell it.
>
> > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned
> in step 4.
>
> > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come
> along.
>
> >
>
> > Regards, Eric in San Antonio
>
> > 84FC35SBWL2
>
> >
>
>
=== message truncated ===

[Gregory OConnor]

Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen to the seller. The
more this guy says the less you can believe. Selling is a behavorial
science. the last crowd played on your excitement in finding a good
deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other buyers view. They
obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in exchange for dropping
the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on on word of mouth
then in the office when things showed up short they got rid of the
word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer played you.

This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a conversation to
another and asking the guy to please sell you his bus. If you are
ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat tractor give me a call

Gregory O'Connor
94ptRomoland California
Scots Demolition and Excavation
- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
wrote:
>
> Hello:
> I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want
> to sell.
> Gail Remy
>
> --- johngilmoremd@... wrote:
>
> > Hello Doug,
> >
> > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.
> > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun
> > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due
> > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just
> > didn't think we would be camping much for a while.
> >
> > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter
> > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and
> > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
> > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer
> > actually, just to make it easier to store.
> >
> > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the
> > head...there was my coach listed on a local site for
> > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC
> > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with
> > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as
> > trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,
> > had no idea.
> >
> > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.
> > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to
> > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted
> > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I
> > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the
> > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie
> > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught
> > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.
> >
> > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake
> > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound
> > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and
> > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and
> > every appliance functions properly. She has the
> > original paint and it looks good....orange and
> > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond
> > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
> > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a
> > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't
> > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to
> > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did
> > see some hinges which looked like they dropped the
> > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every
> > switch, button and control that I checked worked
> > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny
> > started right up. Doghouse has the original sound
> > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works
> > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The
> > interior looks like it has had very little wear.
> > Tires are practically new and match all the way
> > around.
> >
> > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well
> > this baby had been loved over the years. She drove
> > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by
> > asking more questions. When were the injectors last
> > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?
> > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I
> > offered them half what they were asking. After
> > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they
> > accepted the offer.
> >
> > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is
> > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and
> > get ready for next weekend.
> >
> > That having all been said, this particular coach
> > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit
> > and only be occasionally used. I will most likely
> > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale
> > to the right person. I don't see these coaches as
> > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are
> > fine machines and should be owned by individuals who
> > understand and appreciate them.
> >
> > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.
> >
> > -Jack
> > 83 FC 35
> > Houston
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dj.long@...
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> > parket value help needed please
> >
> > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> > for the right bird
> >
> > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> > for the price
> >
> > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> > happy you kept
> >
> > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> > of mine for a
> >
> > good bird.
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug Long
> >
> > Edmonton
> >
> > Wanabee
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
> > Johnson"
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hello Adria,
> >
> > > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the
> > market for preowned
> >
> > BB's has "gone through
> >
> > > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just
> > like the house
> >
> > market, is a bit soft now due
> >
> > > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but
> > should come back in
> >
> > time as people and the
> >
> > > economy adjust to these new realities. The older
> > coaches, if well
> >
> > maintained, are a real
> >
> > > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near
> > the rate of a new
> >
> > coach and FC's are
> >
> > > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > If I were selling my coach today I would do the
> > following:
> >
> > > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
> >
> > > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of
> > the coach
> >
> > > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance
> > records
> >
> > > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum
> > and Vintage Bird
> >
> > listings for
> >
> > > comparables.
> >
> > > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any
> > completed comparable
> >
> > sales.
> >
> > > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the
> > comparable listings for
> >
> > known difficiencies or
> >
> > > advantages.
> >
> > > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach
> > with the family and
> >
> > ask myself if I really
> >
> > > want to sell it.
> >
> > > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned
> > in step 4.
> >
> > > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come
> > along.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Regards, Eric in San Antonio
> >
> > > 84FC35SBWL2
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> === message truncated ===
>

[GLOBE1969]

I always wanted a tractor. I will be there next
tuesday to buy it.
Gail Remy

--- Gregory OConnor wrote:

> Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen
> to the seller. The
> more this guy says the less you can believe.
> Selling is a behavorial
> science. the last crowd played on your excitement in
> finding a good
> deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other
> buyers view. They
> obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in
> exchange for dropping
> the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on
> on word of mouth
> then in the office when things showed up short they
> got rid of the
> word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer
> played you.
>
> This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a
> conversation to
> another and asking the guy to please sell you his
> bus. If you are
> ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat
> tractor give me a call
>
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptRomoland California
> Scots Demolition and Excavation
> - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello:
> > I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you
> want
> > to sell.
> > Gail Remy
> >
> > --- johngilmoremd@... wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Doug,
> > >
> > > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.
> > > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of
> fun
> > > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold
> due
> > > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way.
> Just
> > > didn't think we would be camping much for a
> while.
> > >
> > > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old
> daughter
> > > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping
> and
> > > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I
> was
> > > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer
> > > actually, just to make it easier to store.
> > >
> > > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the
> > > head...there was my coach listed on a local site
> for
> > > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an
> 83 FC
> > > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email
> with
> > > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it
> as
> > > trade in. They couldn't even answer the
> questions,
> > > had no idea.
> > >
> > > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at
> it.
> > > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard
> to
> > > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons
> wanted
> > > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in
> fact I
> > > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and
> the
> > > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the
> newbie
> > > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I
> taught
> > > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.
> > >
> > > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake
> > > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound
> > > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works
> and
> > > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great
> and
> > > every appliance functions properly. She has the
> > > original paint and it looks good....orange and
> > > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The
> diamond
> > > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
> > > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a
> > > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I
> didn't
> > > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to
> > > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I
> did
> > > see some hinges which looked like they dropped
> the
> > > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod.
> Every
> > > switch, button and control that I checked worked
> > > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the
> genny
> > > started right up. Doghouse has the original
> sound
> > > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat
> works
> > > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The
> > > interior looks like it has had very little wear.
> > > Tires are practically new and match all the way
> > > around.
> > >
> > > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how
> well
> > > this baby had been loved over the years. She
> drove
> > > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership
> by
> > > asking more questions. When were the injectors
> last
> > > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the
> mileage?
> > > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I
> > > offered them half what they were asking. After
> > > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager
> they
> > > accepted the offer.
> > >
> > > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel
> is
> > > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank
> and
> > > get ready for next weekend.
> > >
> > > That having all been said, this particular
> coach
> > > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to
> sit
> > > and only be occasionally used. I will most
> likely
> > > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright
> sale
> > > to the right person. I don't see these coaches
> as
> > > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are
> > > fine machines and should be owned by individuals
> who
> > > understand and appreciate them.
> > >
> > > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.
> > >
> > > -Jack
> > > 83 FC 35
> > > Houston
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dj.long@...
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC
> present
> > > parket value help needed please
> > >
> > > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here
> look'n
> > > for the right bird
> > >
> > > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it
> sells
> > > for the price
> > >
> > > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and
> be
> > > happy you kept
> > >
> > > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or
> two
> > > of mine for a
> > >
> > > good bird.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug Long
> > >
> > > Edmonton
> > >
> > > Wanabee
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
> > > Johnson"
>
=== message truncated ===