'80 35FC present parket value help needed please

[johngilmoremd@...]

Tom,

I would sell it for $32,000.

-Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: boatman1197@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help needed
please

Hi Jack,



Are you looking to sell your Bird?



Tom- Who is looking for the right BB

Boatman1197@...

johngilmoremd@... wrote:

Hello Doug,



I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking. Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35.

We had a lot of fun and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due to

schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just didn't think we would be

camping much for a while.



So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter and 11 year old son we have

caught the camping and weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was

hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer actually, just to make it

easier to store.



Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the head...there was my coach listed on a

local site for sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC 35 in

almost perfect condition! I sent an email with 20 questions to the dealer who

had accepted it as trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions, had no

idea.



Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it. The experience was so

nostalgic that it's hard to describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons

wanted to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I believe they were

intimidated by the cockpit and the intricate workings of the coach. So I got

the newbie sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught him about the

coach over the next 3 hours.



This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake brake, new fridge, ducted air,

nice sound system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and even has a good

picture. Back up cam works great and every appliance functions properly. She

has the original paint and it looks good....orange and brown. Apparently was

stored indoors. The diamond plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated

spare tire holder on the top at the back with a winch mechanism to load/unload

the spare. I didn't have an opportunity to pull the front panels to verify that

the rad is mod for swing out but I did see some hinges which looked like they

dropped the bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every switch, button

and control that I checked worked fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the

genny started right up. Doghouse has the original sound and heat proofing

material. Front air and heat works great. Even the misters on the wipers work.

The interior looks like it has had

very little wear. Tires are practically new and match all the way around.



I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well this baby had been loved

over the years. She drove like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by

asking more questions. When were the injectors last replaced? (2002) Are they

sure about the mileage? (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I offered

them half what they were asking. After several more go 'rounds with the sales

manager they accepted the offer.



Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is back down to $2.39 I'm

going to fill the tank and get ready for next weekend.



That having all been said, this particular coach needs to go to a full timer.

It's too sweet to sit and only be occasionally used. I will most likely look to

trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale to the right person. I don't see

these coaches as just commodities to be bought and sold. They are fine machines

and should be owned by individuals who understand and appreciate them.



So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.



-Jack

83 FC 35

Houston



-----Original Message-----

From: dj.long@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help needed
please

And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n for the right bird

to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells for the price

you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be happy you kept

her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two of mine for a

good bird.

Doug Long

Edmonton

Wanabee

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson"



wrote:



>



> Hello Adria,



> I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the market for preowned



BB's has "gone through



> the floor". The entire motorhome market, just like the house



market, is a bit soft now due



> to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but should come back in



time as people and the



> economy adjust to these new realities. The older coaches, if well



maintained, are a real



> bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near the rate of a new



coach and FC's are



> fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.



>



> If I were selling my coach today I would do the following:



> 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos



> 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of the coach



> 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance records



> 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum and Vintage Bird



listings for



> comparables.



> 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any completed comparable



sales.



> 6. Adjust my price up or down against the comparable listings for



known difficiencies or



> advantages.



> 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach with the family and



ask myself if I really



> want to sell it.



> 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned in step 4.



> 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come along.



>



> Regards, Eric in San Antonio



> 84FC35SBWL2



>



> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Adria Haynes"



<mrbeebody@> wrote:



> >



> > Gurus,



> >



> > It seems that since we bought our beloved 1980 35 FC three



summers



> > ago - the market went through the floor. It's a bummer, but it



is



> > what it is.



> >



> > We are now thinking of selling it and I'd like some help



> > establishing what a realistic price range is for what I have.



> >



> > Like I said, it's a 1980 35FC BB Wanderlodge. Rear queen bed



setup



> > and a desk in the front between the curb side closet and couch.



> > It's got 99k miles on the bus and 33k miles on a brand new



factory



> > replacement 3208 catapillar diesel and the original 4 speed



> > allison. It starts up almost instantly everytime (when the



> > batteries are charged), runs excellent, shifts perfectly and I



> > actually LOVE to drive the darn thing for some reason.



> >



> > I'm told that it has the swing out radiator, and the generator is



a



> > big Kohler diesel that also starts everytime. It has a newer



toilet



> > and a heated marble floor. As far as I know, the only thing is



> > needs is the water heater element replaced and everything else



seems



> > to work fine.



> >



> > The outside needs paint. It's lived outside and it shows. The



> > tires don't all match, but all have plenty of tread and I'd use



them



> > on a long trip tomorrow if I had to without worry. The aluminum



> > wheels could be brought back, but I'd probably spring for chome



> > liners first.



> >



> > 3 furnaces, 3 roof airs, zip-dee awning, etc. - all the typical



bone



> > stock 1980 features.



> >



> > Anyways, I know the exterior conditions are points against, but I



> > figure the new motor should help to balance that out to some



degree



> > for a true BB enthusiast.



> >



> > Anyways, I've seen where some garage queens are still up for sale



in



> > the upper 30's, so - given my description, would $32k be a



> > reasonable starting point? If not, please tell me what is.



> >



> > I hate to see it go, but it may be inevitable.



> >



> > Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.



> >



>



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[johngilmoremd@...]

Interesting idea of course but not how I do it. I think the best way to
inspect a coach is to climb it, crawl under it, open and close everything, run
all the appliances, switch everything on and off, test everything possible,
start it, let it idle, drive it forward and backward, taste the water and oil,
whatever. In short...get dirty! Ask to camp out overnight in the coach and be
sure everything "feels" ok.

Just my humble opinion.

-Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregoryoc@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help needed
please

Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen to the seller. The

more this guy says the less you can believe. Selling is a behavorial

science. the last crowd played on your excitement in finding a good

deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other buyers view. They

obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in exchange for dropping

the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on on word of mouth

then in the office when things showed up short they got rid of the

word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer played you.



This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a conversation to

another and asking the guy to please sell you his bus. If you are

ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat tractor give me a call



Gregory O'Connor

94ptRomoland California

Scots Demolition and Excavation

- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969

wrote:

>

> Hello:

> I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want

> to sell.

> Gail Remy

>

> --- johngilmoremd@... wrote:

>

> > Hello Doug,

> >

> > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.

> > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun

> > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due

> > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just

> > didn't think we would be camping much for a while.

> >

> > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter

> > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and

> > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was

> > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer

> > actually, just to make it easier to store.

> >

> > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the

> > head...there was my coach listed on a local site for

> > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC

> > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with

> > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as

> > trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,

> > had no idea.

> >

> > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.

> > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to

> > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted

> > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I

> > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the

> > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie

> > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught

> > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.

> >

> > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake

> > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound

> > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and

> > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and

> > every appliance functions properly. She has the

> > original paint and it looks good....orange and

> > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond

> > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated

> > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a

> > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't

> > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to

> > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did

> > see some hinges which looked like they dropped the

> > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every

> > switch, button and control that I checked worked

> > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny

> > started right up. Doghouse has the original sound

> > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works

> > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The

> > interior looks like it has had very little wear.

> > Tires are practically new and match all the way

> > around.

> >

> > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well

> > this baby had been loved over the years. She drove

> > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by

> > asking more questions. When were the injectors last

> > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?

> > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I

> > offered them half what they were asking. After

> > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they

> > accepted the offer.

> >

> > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is

> > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and

> > get ready for next weekend.

> >

> > That having all been said, this particular coach

> > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit

> > and only be occasionally used. I will most likely

> > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale

> > to the right person. I don't see these coaches as

> > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are

> > fine machines and should be owned by individuals who

> > understand and appreciate them.

> >

> > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.

> >

> > -Jack

> > 83 FC 35

> > Houston

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: dj.long@...

> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> > parket value help needed please
> >
> > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> > for the right bird
> >
> > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> > for the price
> >
> > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> > happy you kept
> >
> > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> > of mine for a
> >
> > good bird.
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug Long
> >
> > Edmonton
> >
> > Wanabee
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric

> > Johnson"

> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hello Adria,

> >

> > > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the

> > market for preowned

> >

> > BB's has "gone through

> >

> > > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just

> > like the house

> >

> > market, is a bit soft now due

> >

> > > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but

> > should come back in

> >

> > time as people and the

> >

> > > economy adjust to these new realities. The older

> > coaches, if well

> >

> > maintained, are a real

> >

> > > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near

> > the rate of a new

> >

> > coach and FC's are

> >

> > > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > If I were selling my coach today I would do the

> > following:

> >

> > > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos

> >

> > > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of

> > the coach

> >

> > > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance

> > records

> >

> > > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum

> > and Vintage Bird

> >

> > listings for

> >

> > > comparables.

> >

> > > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any

> > completed comparable

> >

> > sales.

> >

> > > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the

> > comparable listings for

> >

> > known difficiencies or

> >

> > > advantages.

> >

> > > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach

> > with the family and

> >

> > ask myself if I really

> >

> > > want to sell it.

> >

> > > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned

> > in step 4.

> >

> > > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come

> > along.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Regards, Eric in San Antonio

> >

> > > 84FC35SBWL2

> >

> > >

> >

> >

> === message truncated ===

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[Gregory OConnor]

Humble, maybe. Honest only if you say you know nothing about the
coach you bought to flip. The nestalgic story was cute. Most of us
dont have an aquired taste for glycol, I'll use the test strips

Gregory O'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@... wrote:
>
> Interesting idea of course but not how I do it. I think the best
way to inspect a coach is to climb it, crawl under it, open and close
everything, run all the appliances, switch everything on and off,
test everything possible, start it, let it idle, drive it forward and
backward, taste the water and oil, whatever. In short...get dirty!
Ask to camp out overnight in the coach and be sure everything "feels"
ok.
>
> Just my humble opinion.
>
> -Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregoryoc@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 2:34 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
needed please
>
> Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen to the seller.
The
>
> more this guy says the less you can believe. Selling is a
behavorial
>
> science. the last crowd played on your excitement in finding a good
>
> deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other buyers view. They
>
> obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in exchange for
dropping
>
> the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on on word of
mouth
>
> then in the office when things showed up short they got rid of the
>
> word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer played you.
>
>
>
> This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a conversation to
>
> another and asking the guy to please sell you his bus. If you are
>
> ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat tractor give me a call
>
>
>
> Gregory O'Connor
>
> 94ptRomoland California
>
> Scots Demolition and Excavation
>
> - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hello:
>
> > I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want
>
> > to sell.
>
> > Gail Remy
>
> >
>
> > --- johngilmoremd@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Hello Doug,
>
> > >
>
> > > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.
>
> > > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun
>
> > > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due
>
> > > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just
>
> > > didn't think we would be camping much for a while.
>
> > >
>
> > > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter
>
> > > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and
>
> > > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
>
> > > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer
>
> > > actually, just to make it easier to store.
>
> > >
>
> > > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the
>
> > > head...there was my coach listed on a local site for
>
> > > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC
>
> > > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with
>
> > > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as
>
> > > trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,
>
> > > had no idea.
>
> > >
>
> > > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.
>
> > > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to
>
> > > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted
>
> > > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I
>
> > > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the
>
> > > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie
>
> > > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught
>
> > > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.
>
> > >
>
> > > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake
>
> > > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound
>
> > > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and
>
> > > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and
>
> > > every appliance functions properly. She has the
>
> > > original paint and it looks good....orange and
>
> > > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond
>
> > > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
>
> > > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a
>
> > > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't
>
> > > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to
>
> > > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did
>
> > > see some hinges which looked like they dropped the
>
> > > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every
>
> > > switch, button and control that I checked worked
>
> > > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny
>
> > > started right up. Doghouse has the original sound
>
> > > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works
>
> > > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The
>
> > > interior looks like it has had very little wear.
>
> > > Tires are practically new and match all the way
>
> > > around.
>
> > >
>
> > > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well
>
> > > this baby had been loved over the years. She drove
>
> > > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by
>
> > > asking more questions. When were the injectors last
>
> > > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?
>
> > > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I
>
> > > offered them half what they were asking. After
>
> > > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they
>
> > > accepted the offer.
>
> > >
>
> > > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is
>
> > > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and
>
> > > get ready for next weekend.
>
> > >
>
> > > That having all been said, this particular coach
>
> > > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit
>
> > > and only be occasionally used. I will most likely
>
> > > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale
>
> > > to the right person. I don't see these coaches as
>
> > > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are
>
> > > fine machines and should be owned by individuals who
>
> > > understand and appreciate them.
>
> > >
>
> > > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.
>
> > >
>
> > > -Jack
>
> > > 83 FC 35
>
> > > Houston
>
> > >
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: dj.long@
>
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> > > parket value help needed please
> > >
> > > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> > > for the right bird
> > >
> > > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> > > for the price
> > >
> > > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> > > happy you kept
> > >
> > > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> > > of mine for a
> > >
> > > good bird.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug Long
> > >
> > > Edmonton
> > >
> > > Wanabee
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
>
> > > Johnson"
>
> > >
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > Hello Adria,
>
> > >
>
> > > > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the
>
> > > market for preowned
>
> > >
>
> > > BB's has "gone through
>
> > >
>
> > > > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just
>
> > > like the house
>
> > >
>
> > > market, is a bit soft now due
>
> > >
>
> > > > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but
>
> > > should come back in
>
> > >
>
> > > time as people and the
>
> > >
>
> > > > economy adjust to these new realities. The older
>
> > > coaches, if well
>
> > >
>
> > > maintained, are a real
>
> > >
>
> > > > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near
>
> > > the rate of a new
>
> > >
>
> > > coach and FC's are
>
> > >
>
> > > > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > If I were selling my coach today I would do the
>
> > > following:
>
> > >
>
> > > > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
>
> > >
>
> > > > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of
>
> > > the coach
>
> > >
>
> > > > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance
>
> > > records
>
> > >
>
> > > > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum
>
> > > and Vintage Bird
>
> > >
>
> > > listings for
>
> > >
>
> > > > comparables.
>
> > >
>
> > > > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any
>
> > > completed comparable
>
> > >
>
> > > sales.
>
> > >
>
> > > > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the
>
> > > comparable listings for
>
> > >
>
> > > known difficiencies or
>
> > >
>
> > > > advantages.
>
> > >
>
> > > > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach
>
> > > with the family and
>
> > >
>
> > > ask myself if I really
>
> > >
>
> > > > want to sell it.
>
> > >
>
> > > > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned
>
> > > in step 4.
>
> > >
>
> > > > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come
>
> > > along.
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > Regards, Eric in San Antonio
>
> > >
>
> > > > 84FC35SBWL2
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
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[johngilmoremd@...]

Aren't you a ripe one?! LOL

Strictly my opinion about how to inspect a coach. Why use test strips? After
all, you base your opinion of the unit on the seller's statements.

I didn't purchase my coach to "flip" it. I'm not a dealer and I'm not on here
regularly hawking coaches. I bought a very nice coach at a great price. I've
decided that it's in fabulous condition and I would entertain selling it. But
I'm happy to keep it and enjoy it myself.

Frankly I don't give a rat's ass whether you believe what I have to say or not.
If you were in my area I would be more than glad to meet with you and instruct
you on the importance of courtesy toward strangers. But I suspect you are a
crochety old fart with nothing better to do than use the internet to try and
make yourself feel important.

Adios Pollo Caca,

-Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregoryoc@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help needed
please

Humble, maybe. Honest only if you say you know nothing about the

coach you bought to flip. The nestalgic story was cute. Most of us

dont have an aquired taste for glycol, I'll use the test strips



Gregory O'Connor

94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@... wrote:

>

> Interesting idea of course but not how I do it. I think the best

way to inspect a coach is to climb it, crawl under it, open and close

everything, run all the appliances, switch everything on and off,

test everything possible, start it, let it idle, drive it forward and

backward, taste the water and oil, whatever. In short...get dirty!

Ask to camp out overnight in the coach and be sure everything "feels"

ok.

>

> Just my humble opinion.

>

> -Jack

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Gregoryoc@...

> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 2:34 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
needed please
>
> Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen to the seller.
The
>
> more this guy says the less you can believe. Selling is a
behavorial
>
> science. the last crowd played on your excitement in finding a good
>
> deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other buyers view. They
>
> obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in exchange for
dropping
>
> the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on on word of
mouth
>
> then in the office when things showed up short they got rid of the
>
> word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer played you.
>
>
>
> This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a conversation to
>
> another and asking the guy to please sell you his bus. If you are
>
> ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat tractor give me a call
>
>
>
> Gregory O'Connor
>
> 94ptRomoland California
>
> Scots Demolition and Excavation
>
> - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969

>

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Hello:

>

> > I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want

>

> > to sell.

>

> > Gail Remy

>

> >

>

> > --- johngilmoremd@ wrote:

>

> >

>

> > > Hello Doug,

>

> > >

>

> > > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.

>

> > > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun

>

> > > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due

>

> > > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just

>

> > > didn't think we would be camping much for a while.

>

> > >

>

> > > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter

>

> > > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and

>

> > > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was

>

> > > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer

>

> > > actually, just to make it easier to store.

>

> > >

>

> > > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the

>

> > > head...there was my coach listed on a local site for

>

> > > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC

>

> > > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with

>

> > > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as

>

> > > trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,

>

> > > had no idea.

>

> > >

>

> > > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.

>

> > > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to

>

> > > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted

>

> > > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I

>

> > > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the

>

> > > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie

>

> > > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught

>

> > > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.

>

> > >

>

> > > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake

>

> > > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound

>

> > > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and

>

> > > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and

>

> > > every appliance functions properly. She has the

>

> > > original paint and it looks good....orange and

>

> > > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond

>

> > > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated

>

> > > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a

>

> > > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't

>

> > > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to

>

> > > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did

>

> > > see some hinges which looked like they dropped the

>

> > > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every

>

> > > switch, button and control that I checked worked

>

> > > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny

>

> > > started right up. Doghouse has the original sound

>

> > > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works

>

> > > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The

>

> > > interior looks like it has had very little wear.

>

> > > Tires are practically new and match all the way

>

> > > around.

>

> > >

>

> > > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well

>

> > > this baby had been loved over the years. She drove

>

> > > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by

>

> > > asking more questions. When were the injectors last

>

> > > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?

>

> > > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I

>

> > > offered them half what they were asking. After

>

> > > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they

>

> > > accepted the offer.

>

> > >

>

> > > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is

>

> > > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and

>

> > > get ready for next weekend.

>

> > >

>

> > > That having all been said, this particular coach

>

> > > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit

>

> > > and only be occasionally used. I will most likely

>

> > > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale

>

> > > to the right person. I don't see these coaches as

>

> > > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are

>

> > > fine machines and should be owned by individuals who

>

> > > understand and appreciate them.

>

> > >

>

> > > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.

>

> > >

>

> > > -Jack

>

> > > 83 FC 35

>

> > > Houston

>

> > >

>

> > > -----Original Message-----

>

> > > From: dj.long@

>

> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> > > parket value help needed please
> > >
> > > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> > > for the right bird
> > >
> > > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> > > for the price
> > >
> > > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> > > happy you kept
> > >
> > > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> > > of mine for a
> > >
> > > good bird.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug Long
> > >
> > > Edmonton
> > >
> > > Wanabee
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric

>

> > > Johnson"

>

> > >

>

> > > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > Hello Adria,

>

> > >

>

> > > > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the

>

> > > market for preowned

>

> > >

>

> > > BB's has "gone through

>

> > >

>

> > > > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just

>

> > > like the house

>

> > >

>

> > > market, is a bit soft now due

>

> > >

>

> > > > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but

>

> > > should come back in

>

> > >

>

> > > time as people and the

>

> > >

>

> > > > economy adjust to these new realities. The older

>

> > > coaches, if well

>

> > >

>

> > > maintained, are a real

>

> > >

>

> > > > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near

>

> > > the rate of a new

>

> > >

>

> > > coach and FC's are

>

> > >

>

> > > > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > If I were selling my coach today I would do the

>

> > > following:

>

> > >

>

> > > > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos

>

> > >

>

> > > > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of

>

> > > the coach

>

> > >

>

> > > > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance

>

> > > records

>

> > >

>

> > > > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum

>

> > > and Vintage Bird

>

> > >

>

> > > listings for

>

> > >

>

> > > > comparables.

>

> > >

>

> > > > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any

>

> > > completed comparable

>

> > >

>

> > > sales.

>

> > >

>

> > > > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the

>

> > > comparable listings for

>

> > >

>

> > > known difficiencies or

>

> > >

>

> > > > advantages.

>

> > >

>

> > > > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach

>

> > > with the family and

>

> > >

>

> > > ask myself if I really

>

> > >

>

> > > > want to sell it.

>

> > >

>

> > > > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned

>

> > > in step 4.

>

> > >

>

> > > > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come

>

> > > along.

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > Regards, Eric in San Antonio

>

> > >

>

> > > > 84FC35SBWL2

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

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[mbulriss]

My, my, my! You take the day off and then come home late Sunday night
and try to get caught up on forum posts..........

You know, it should go without saying, but..... having been on Net
chat groups for about 12 years now, maybe it's not obvious to
newcomers to the Net forums these days:

It's really a bad idea on most forums to join on Saturday and by
Sunday immediately begin cussing out and threatening other members by
your third post. IT'S FOR SURE A BAD IDEA ON THIS FORUM. The
"importance of courtesy toward strangers" portion of the post was most
ironic.

NEW MEMBERS - review the Note on "Netiquette" on the forum front page
before posting.

Now where did I leave that moderation button?

Thanks,
Mike Bulriss - currently very unhappy WanderlodgeForum Moderator


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@... wrote:
>
> Aren't you a ripe one?! LOL
>
> Strictly my opinion about how to inspect a coach. Why use test
strips? After all, you base your opinion of the unit on the seller's
statements.
>
> I didn't purchase my coach to "flip" it. I'm not a dealer and I'm
not on here regularly hawking coaches. I bought a very nice coach at a
great price. I've decided that it's in fabulous condition and I would
entertain selling it. But I'm happy to keep it and enjoy it myself.
>
> Frankly I don't give a rat's ass whether you believe what I have to
say or not. If you were in my area I would be more than glad to meet
with you and instruct you on the importance of courtesy toward
strangers. But I suspect you are a crochety old fart with nothing
better to do than use the internet to try and make yourself feel
important.
>
> Adios Pollo Caca,
>
> -Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregoryoc@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 6:17 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
needed please
>
> Humble, maybe. Honest only if you say you know nothing about the
>
> coach you bought to flip. The nestalgic story was cute. Most of us
>
> dont have an aquired taste for glycol, I'll use the test strips
>
>
>
> Gregory O'Connor
>
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Interesting idea of course but not how I do it. I think the best
>
> way to inspect a coach is to climb it, crawl under it, open and close
>
> everything, run all the appliances, switch everything on and off,
>
> test everything possible, start it, let it idle, drive it forward and
>
> backward, taste the water and oil, whatever. In short...get dirty!
>
> Ask to camp out overnight in the coach and be sure everything "feels"
>
> ok.
>
> >
>
> > Just my humble opinion.
>
> >
>
> > -Jack
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Gregoryoc@
>
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 2:34 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
> needed please
> >
> > Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen to the seller.
> The
> >
> > more this guy says the less you can believe. Selling is a
> behavorial
> >
> > science. the last crowd played on your excitement in finding a good
> >
> > deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other buyers view. They
> >
> > obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in exchange for
> dropping
> >
> > the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on on word of
> mouth
> >
> > then in the office when things showed up short they got rid of the
> >
> > word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer played you.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a conversation to
> >
> > another and asking the guy to please sell you his bus. If you are
> >
> > ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat tractor give me a call
> >
> >
> >
> > Gregory O'Connor
> >
> > 94ptRomoland California
> >
> > Scots Demolition and Excavation
> >
> > - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
>
> >
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Hello:
>
> >
>
> > > I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want
>
> >
>
> > > to sell.
>
> >
>
> > > Gail Remy
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > --- johngilmoremd@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Hello Doug,
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.
>
> >
>
> > > > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun
>
> >
>
> > > > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due
>
> >
>
> > > > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just
>
> >
>
> > > > didn't think we would be camping much for a while.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter
>
> >
>
> > > > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and
>
> >
>
> > > > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
>
> >
>
> > > > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer
>
> >
>
> > > > actually, just to make it easier to store.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the
>
> >
>
> > > > head...there was my coach listed on a local site for
>
> >
>
> > > > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC
>
> >
>
> > > > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with
>
> >
>
> > > > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as
>
> >
>
> > > > trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,
>
> >
>
> > > > had no idea.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.
>
> >
>
> > > > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to
>
> >
>
> > > > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted
>
> >
>
> > > > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I
>
> >
>
> > > > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the
>
> >
>
> > > > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie
>
> >
>
> > > > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught
>
> >
>
> > > > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake
>
> >
>
> > > > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound
>
> >
>
> > > > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and
>
> >
>
> > > > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and
>
> >
>
> > > > every appliance functions properly. She has the
>
> >
>
> > > > original paint and it looks good....orange and
>
> >
>
> > > > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond
>
> >
>
> > > > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
>
> >
>
> > > > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a
>
> >
>
> > > > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't
>
> >
>
> > > > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to
>
> >
>
> > > > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did
>
> >
>
> > > > see some hinges which looked like they dropped the
>
> >
>
> > > > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every
>
> >
>
> > > > switch, button and control that I checked worked
>
> >
>
> > > > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny
>
> >
>
> > > > started right up. Doghouse has the original sound
>
> >
>
> > > > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works
>
> >
>
> > > > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The
>
> >
>
> > > > interior looks like it has had very little wear.
>
> >
>
> > > > Tires are practically new and match all the way
>
> >
>
> > > > around.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well
>
> >
>
> > > > this baby had been loved over the years. She drove
>
> >
>
> > > > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by
>
> >
>
> > > > asking more questions. When were the injectors last
>
> >
>
> > > > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?
>
> >
>
> > > > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I
>
> >
>
> > > > offered them half what they were asking. After
>
> >
>
> > > > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they
>
> >
>
> > > > accepted the offer.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is
>
> >
>
> > > > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and
>
> >
>
> > > > get ready for next weekend.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > That having all been said, this particular coach
>
> >
>
> > > > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit
>
> >
>
> > > > and only be occasionally used. I will most likely
>
> >
>
> > > > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale
>
> >
>
> > > > to the right person. I don't see these coaches as
>
> >
>
> > > > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are
>
> >
>
> > > > fine machines and should be owned by individuals who
>
> >
>
> > > > understand and appreciate them.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > -Jack
>
> >
>
> > > > 83 FC 35
>
> >
>
> > > > Houston
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
>
> >
>
> > > > From: dj.long@
>
> >
>
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> > > > parket value help needed please
> > > >
> > > > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> > > > for the right bird
> > > >
> > > > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> > > > for the price
> > > >
> > > > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> > > > happy you kept
> > > >
> > > > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> > > > of mine for a
> > > >
> > > > good bird.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doug Long
> > > >
> > > > Edmonton
> > > >
> > > > Wanabee
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
>
> >
>
> > > > Johnson"
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > Hello Adria,
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the
>
> >
>
> > > > market for preowned
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > BB's has "gone through
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just
>
> >
>
> > > > like the house
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > market, is a bit soft now due
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but
>
> >
>
> > > > should come back in
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > time as people and the
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > economy adjust to these new realities. The older
>
> >
>
> > > > coaches, if well
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > maintained, are a real
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near
>
> >
>
> > > > the rate of a new
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > coach and FC's are
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > If I were selling my coach today I would do the
>
> >
>
> > > > following:
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of
>
> >
>
> > > > the coach
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance
>
> >
>
> > > > records
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum
>
> >
>
> > > > and Vintage Bird
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > listings for
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > comparables.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any
>
> >
>
> > > > completed comparable
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > sales.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the
>
> >
>
> > > > comparable listings for
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > known difficiencies or
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > advantages.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach
>
> >
>
> > > > with the family and
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > ask myself if I really
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > want to sell it.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned
>
> >
>
> > > > in step 4.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come
>
> >
>
> > > > along.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > Regards, Eric in San Antonio
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 84FC35SBWL2
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > > >
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[Gregory OConnor]

Well, you pegged me. stop by early, visiting hours are over at 7:30.

Test strips will show the makeup of the radiator fluid. the 3208's
have a thin spot ( cylinder wall/ jacket??) if the engine is sitting
with improper ph or too much water, the jacket will corrode.
Gregory O'Connor alias Pollo CaCa
94pt Romoland Ca


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@... wrote:
>
> Aren't you a ripe one?! LOL
>
> Strictly my opinion about how to inspect a coach. Why use test
strips? After all, you base your opinion of the unit on the seller's
statements.
>
> I didn't purchase my coach to "flip" it. I'm not a dealer and I'm
not on here regularly hawking coaches. I bought a very nice coach at
a great price. I've decided that it's in fabulous condition and I
would entertain selling it. But I'm happy to keep it and enjoy it
myself.
>
> Frankly I don't give a rat's ass whether you believe what I have
to say or not. If you were in my area I would be more than glad to
meet with you and instruct you on the importance of courtesy toward
strangers. But I suspect you are a crochety old fart with nothing
better to do than use the internet to try and make yourself feel
important.
>
> Adios Pollo Caca,
>
> -Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregoryoc@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 6:17 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
needed please
>
> Humble, maybe. Honest only if you say you know nothing about the
>
> coach you bought to flip. The nestalgic story was cute. Most of us
>
> dont have an aquired taste for glycol, I'll use the test strips
>
>
>
> Gregory O'Connor
>
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Interesting idea of course but not how I do it. I think the
best
>
> way to inspect a coach is to climb it, crawl under it, open and
close
>
> everything, run all the appliances, switch everything on and off,
>
> test everything possible, start it, let it idle, drive it forward
and
>
> backward, taste the water and oil, whatever. In short...get dirty!
>
> Ask to camp out overnight in the coach and be sure
everything "feels"
>
> ok.
>
> >
>
> > Just my humble opinion.
>
> >
>
> > -Jack
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Gregoryoc@
>
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 2:34 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value
help
> needed please
> >
> > Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen to the
seller.
> The
> >
> > more this guy says the less you can believe. Selling is a
> behavorial
> >
> > science. the last crowd played on your excitement in finding a
good
> >
> > deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other buyers view. They
> >
> > obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in exchange for
> dropping
> >
> > the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on on word of
> mouth
> >
> > then in the office when things showed up short they got rid of
the
> >
> > word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer played you.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a conversation
to
> >
> > another and asking the guy to please sell you his bus. If you
are
> >
> > ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat tractor give me a
call
> >
> >
> >
> > Gregory O'Connor
> >
> > 94ptRomoland California
> >
> > Scots Demolition and Excavation
> >
> > - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
>
> >
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Hello:
>
> >
>
> > > I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want
>
> >
>
> > > to sell.
>
> >
>
> > > Gail Remy
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > --- johngilmoremd@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Hello Doug,
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.
>
> >
>
> > > > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun
>
> >
>
> > > > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due
>
> >
>
> > > > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just
>
> >
>
> > > > didn't think we would be camping much for a while.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter
>
> >
>
> > > > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and
>
> >
>
> > > > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
>
> >
>
> > > > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer
>
> >
>
> > > > actually, just to make it easier to store.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the
>
> >
>
> > > > head...there was my coach listed on a local site for
>
> >
>
> > > > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC
>
> >
>
> > > > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with
>
> >
>
> > > > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as
>
> >
>
> > > > trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,
>
> >
>
> > > > had no idea.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.
>
> >
>
> > > > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to
>
> >
>
> > > > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted
>
> >
>
> > > > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I
>
> >
>
> > > > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the
>
> >
>
> > > > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie
>
> >
>
> > > > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught
>
> >
>
> > > > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake
>
> >
>
> > > > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound
>
> >
>
> > > > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and
>
> >
>
> > > > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and
>
> >
>
> > > > every appliance functions properly. She has the
>
> >
>
> > > > original paint and it looks good....orange and
>
> >
>
> > > > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond
>
> >
>
> > > > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
>
> >
>
> > > > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a
>
> >
>
> > > > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't
>
> >
>
> > > > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to
>
> >
>
> > > > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did
>
> >
>
> > > > see some hinges which looked like they dropped the
>
> >
>
> > > > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every
>
> >
>
> > > > switch, button and control that I checked worked
>
> >
>
> > > > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny
>
> >
>
> > > > started right up. Doghouse has the original sound
>
> >
>
> > > > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works
>
> >
>
> > > > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The
>
> >
>
> > > > interior looks like it has had very little wear.
>
> >
>
> > > > Tires are practically new and match all the way
>
> >
>
> > > > around.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well
>
> >
>
> > > > this baby had been loved over the years. She drove
>
> >
>
> > > > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by
>
> >
>
> > > > asking more questions. When were the injectors last
>
> >
>
> > > > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?
>
> >
>
> > > > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I
>
> >
>
> > > > offered them half what they were asking. After
>
> >
>
> > > > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they
>
> >
>
> > > > accepted the offer.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is
>
> >
>
> > > > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and
>
> >
>
> > > > get ready for next weekend.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > That having all been said, this particular coach
>
> >
>
> > > > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit
>
> >
>
> > > > and only be occasionally used. I will most likely
>
> >
>
> > > > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale
>
> >
>
> > > > to the right person. I don't see these coaches as
>
> >
>
> > > > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are
>
> >
>
> > > > fine machines and should be owned by individuals who
>
> >
>
> > > > understand and appreciate them.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > -Jack
>
> >
>
> > > > 83 FC 35
>
> >
>
> > > > Houston
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
>
> >
>
> > > > From: dj.long@
>
> >
>
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> > > > parket value help needed please
> > > >
> > > > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> > > > for the right bird
> > > >
> > > > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> > > > for the price
> > > >
> > > > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> > > > happy you kept
> > > >
> > > > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> > > > of mine for a
> > > >
> > > > good bird.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doug Long
> > > >
> > > > Edmonton
> > > >
> > > > Wanabee
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
>
> >
>
> > > > Johnson"
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > Hello Adria,
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the
>
> >
>
> > > > market for preowned
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > BB's has "gone through
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just
>
> >
>
> > > > like the house
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > market, is a bit soft now due
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but
>
> >
>
> > > > should come back in
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > time as people and the
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > economy adjust to these new realities. The older
>
> >
>
> > > > coaches, if well
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > maintained, are a real
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near
>
> >
>
> > > > the rate of a new
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > coach and FC's are
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > If I were selling my coach today I would do the
>
> >
>
> > > > following:
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of
>
> >
>
> > > > the coach
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance
>
> >
>
> > > > records
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum
>
> >
>
> > > > and Vintage Bird
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > listings for
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > comparables.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any
>
> >
>
> > > > completed comparable
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > sales.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the
>
> >
>
> > > > comparable listings for
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > known difficiencies or
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > advantages.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach
>
> >
>
> > > > with the family and
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > ask myself if I really
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > want to sell it.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned
>
> >
>
> > > > in step 4.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come
>
> >
>
> > > > along.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > Regards, Eric in San Antonio
>
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Hi Mike,

No dispute here. I've never joined a group before and by the second
post had my integrity questioned.

-Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: mbulriss@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:47 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
needed please

My, my, my! You take the day off and then come home late Sunday
night
and try to get caught up on forum posts..........

You know, it should go without saying, but..... having been on Net
chat groups for about 12 years now, maybe it's not obvious to
newcomers to the Net forums these days:

It's really a bad idea on most forums to join on Saturday and by
Sunday immediately begin cussing out and threatening other members by
your third post. IT'S FOR SURE A BAD IDEA ON THIS FORUM. The
"importance of courtesy toward strangers" portion of the post was most
ironic.

NEW MEMBERS - review the Note on "Netiquette" on the forum front page
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Thanks,
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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@... wrote:
>
> Aren't you a ripe one?! LOL
>
> Strictly my opinion about how to inspect a coach. Why use test
strips? After all, you base your opinion of the unit on the seller's
statements.
>
> I didn't purchase my coach to "flip" it. I'm not a dealer and I'm
not on here regularly hawking coaches. I bought a very nice coach at a
great price. I've decided that it's in fabulous condition and I would
entertain selling it. But I'm happy to keep it and enjoy it myself.
>
> Frankly I don't give a rat's ass whether you believe what I have to
say or not. If you were in my area I would be more than glad to meet
with you and instruct you on the importance of courtesy toward
strangers. But I suspect you are a crochety old fart with nothing
better to do than use the internet to try and make yourself feel
important.
>
> Adios Pollo Caca,
>
> -Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregoryoc@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 6:17 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
needed please
>
> Humble, maybe. Honest only if you say you know nothing about the
>
> coach you bought to flip. The nestalgic story was cute. Most of us
>
> dont have an aquired taste for glycol, I'll use the test strips
>
>
>
> Gregory O'Connor
>
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Interesting idea of course but not how I do it. I think the best
>
> way to inspect a coach is to climb it, crawl under it, open and close
>
> everything, run all the appliances, switch everything on and off,
>
> test everything possible, start it, let it idle, drive it forward and
>
> backward, taste the water and oil, whatever. In short...get dirty!
>
> Ask to camp out overnight in the coach and be sure everything "feels"
>
> ok.
>
> >
>
> > Just my humble opinion.
>
> >
>
> > -Jack
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Gregoryoc@
>
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 2:34 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
> needed please
> >
> > Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen to the seller.
> The
> >
> > more this guy says the less you can believe. Selling is a
> behavorial
> >
> > science. the last crowd played on your excitement in finding a good
> >
> > deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other buyers view. They
> >
> > obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in exchange for
> dropping
> >
> > the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on on word of
> mouth
> >
> > then in the office when things showed up short they got rid of the
> >
> > word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer played you.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a conversation to
> >
> > another and asking the guy to please sell you his bus. If you are
> >
> > ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat tractor give me a call
> >
> >
> >
> > Gregory O'Connor
> >
> > 94ptRomoland California
> >
> > Scots Demolition and Excavation
> >
> > - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
>
> >
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Hello:
>
> >
>
> > > I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want
>
> >
>
> > > to sell.
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> >
>
> > > Gail Remy
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > --- johngilmoremd@ wrote:
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> >
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> > >
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> >
>
> > > > Hello Doug,
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.
>
> >
>
> > > > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun
>
> >
>
> > > > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due
>
> >
>
> > > > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just
>
> >
>
> > > > didn't think we would be camping much for a while.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter
>
> >
>
> > > > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and
>
> >
>
> > > > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
>
> >
>
> > > > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer
>
> >
>
> > > > actually, just to make it easier to store.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the
>
> >
>
> > > > head...there was my coach listed on a local site for
>
> >
>
> > > > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC
>
> >
>
> > > > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with
>
> >
>
> > > > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as
>
> >
>
> > > > trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,
>
> >
>
> > > > had no idea.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.
>
> >
>
> > > > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to
>
> >
>
> > > > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted
>
> >
>
> > > > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I
>
> >
>
> > > > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the
>
> >
>
> > > > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie
>
> >
>
> > > > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught
>
> >
>
> > > > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.
>
> >
>
> > > >
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> >
>
> > > > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake
>
> >
>
> > > > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound
>
> >
>
> > > > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and
>
> >
>
> > > > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and
>
> >
>
> > > > every appliance functions properly. She has the
>
> >
>
> > > > original paint and it looks good....orange and
>
> >
>
> > > > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond
>
> >
>
> > > > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
>
> >
>
> > > > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a
>
> >
>
> > > > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't
>
> >
>
> > > > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to
>
> >
>
> > > > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did
>
> >
>
> > > > see some hinges which looked like they dropped the
>
> >
>
> > > > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every
>
> >
>
> > > > switch, button and control that I checked worked
>
> >
>
> > > > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny
>
> >
>
> > > > started right up. Doghouse has the original sound
>
> >
>
> > > > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works
>
> >
>
> > > > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The
>
> >
>
> > > > interior looks like it has had very little wear.
>
> >
>
> > > > Tires are practically new and match all the way
>
> >
>
> > > > around.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well
>
> >
>
> > > > this baby had been loved over the years. She drove
>
> >
>
> > > > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by
>
> >
>
> > > > asking more questions. When were the injectors last
>
> >
>
> > > > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?
>
> >
>
> > > > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I
>
> >
>
> > > > offered them half what they were asking. After
>
> >
>
> > > > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they
>
> >
>
> > > > accepted the offer.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is
>
> >
>
> > > > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and
>
> >
>
> > > > get ready for next weekend.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > That having all been said, this particular coach
>
> >
>
> > > > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit
>
> >
>
> > > > and only be occasionally used. I will most likely
>
> >
>
> > > > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale
>
> >
>
> > > > to the right person. I don't see these coaches as
>
> >
>
> > > > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are
>
> >
>
> > > > fine machines and should be owned by individuals who
>
> >
>
> > > > understand and appreciate them.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > -Jack
>
> >
>
> > > > 83 FC 35
>
> >
>
> > > > Houston
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
>
> >
>
> > > > From: dj.long@
>
> >
>
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> > > > parket value help needed please
> > > >
> > > > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> > > > for the right bird
> > > >
> > > > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> > > > for the price
> > > >
> > > > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> > > > happy you kept
> > > >
> > > > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> > > > of mine for a
> > > >
> > > > good bird.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doug Long
> > > >
> > > > Edmonton
> > > >
> > > > Wanabee
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
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> >
>
> > > > Johnson"
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> >
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> > > > > Hello Adria,
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
>
> > > > > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the
>
> >
>
> > > > market for preowned
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > BB's has "gone through
>
> >
>
> > > >
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> >
>
> > > > > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just
>
> >
>
> > > > like the house
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > market, is a bit soft now due
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but
>
> >
>
> > > > should come back in
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > time as people and the
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > economy adjust to these new realities. The older
>
> >
>
> > > > coaches, if well
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > maintained, are a real
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near
>
> >
>
> > > > the rate of a new
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > coach and FC's are
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> > > >
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> > > > > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.
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> > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > >
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> > > > > If I were selling my coach today I would do the
>
> >
>
> > > > following:
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > > > > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
>
> > > > > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of
>
> >
>
> > > > the coach
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance
>
> >
>
> > > > records
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum
>
> >
>
> > > > and Vintage Bird
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > listings for
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> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > comparables.
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any
>
> >
>
> > > > completed comparable
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > > sales.
>
> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > > > > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the
>
> >
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> > > > comparable listings for
>
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> > > >
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> >
>
> > > > known difficiencies or
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> > > >
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> >
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> > > > > advantages.
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> >
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> > > >
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> >
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> > > > > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach
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> >
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> > > > with the family and
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> > > >
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> > > > ask myself if I really
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> > > >
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> > > > > want to sell it.
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> > > >
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> > > > > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned
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> > > > in step 4.
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> > > > > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come
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> > > > > Regards, Eric in San Antonio
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[one_dusty_hoot]

Jack,
I for one totally disagree with you on "dispute" as
your second post was critical, flaming, and outright
obnoxious.

You claimed to have bought a motorhome for one-half
asking price, then your first post was about what the
present market value was on the one like you bought???

You claim that you do not believe Blue Birds are a
commodity then in the same paragraph tell readers that
you would sell yours.

Gail, who was just getting his breath from a $2900 Bird
deal gone sour buying lesson responded.

O'conner responded in a protective way for Gail's behalf
to proceed with caution or a buying mistake could be made
by him again.

You responded directly to O'conner ending with a salutation
in poor Spanish, Goodbye Chicken Shit.

I have never known anyone or heard of anyone tasting oil and
antifreeze during a pre-purchase inspection so I imagine I too
would step to the non beliver side of the line.

BTW:My opinion of value on an 80FC35 is 18-24K depending on
condition. You may see some higher than this but notice also
that they are "For Sale" not "Sold". Regards.

Bob Janes, 87FC35, Greenville, SC






--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@... wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> No dispute here. I've never joined a group before and by the
second
> post had my integrity questioned.
>
> -Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mbulriss@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:47 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
> needed please
>
> My, my, my! You take the day off and then come home late
Sunday
> night
> and try to get caught up on forum posts..........
>
> You know, it should go without saying, but..... having been on Net
> chat groups for about 12 years now, maybe it's not obvious to
> newcomers to the Net forums these days:
>
> It's really a bad idea on most forums to join on Saturday and by
> Sunday immediately begin cussing out and threatening other members
by
> your third post. IT'S FOR SURE A BAD IDEA ON THIS FORUM. The
> "importance of courtesy toward strangers" portion of the post was
most
> ironic.
>
> NEW MEMBERS - review the Note on "Netiquette" on the forum front
page
> before posting.
>
> Now where did I leave that moderation button?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Bulriss - currently very unhappy WanderlodgeForum Moderator
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@ wrote:
> >
> > Aren't you a ripe one?! LOL
> >
> > Strictly my opinion about how to inspect a coach. Why use test
> strips? After all, you base your opinion of the unit on the seller's
> statements.
> >
> > I didn't purchase my coach to "flip" it. I'm not a dealer and I'm
> not on here regularly hawking coaches. I bought a very nice coach
at a
> great price. I've decided that it's in fabulous condition and I
would
> entertain selling it. But I'm happy to keep it and enjoy it myself.
> >
> > Frankly I don't give a rat's ass whether you believe what I have
to
> say or not. If you were in my area I would be more than glad to meet
> with you and instruct you on the importance of courtesy toward
> strangers. But I suspect you are a crochety old fart with nothing
> better to do than use the internet to try and make yourself feel
> important.
> >
> > Adios Pollo Caca,
> >
> > -Jack
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregoryoc@
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 6:17 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value
help
> needed please
> >
> > Humble, maybe. Honest only if you say you know nothing about the
> >
> > coach you bought to flip. The nestalgic story was cute. Most of us
> >
> > dont have an aquired taste for glycol, I'll use the test strips
> >
> >
> >
> > Gregory O'Connor
> >
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Interesting idea of course but not how I do it. I think the
best
> >
> > way to inspect a coach is to climb it, crawl under it, open and
close
> >
> > everything, run all the appliances, switch everything on and off,
> >
> > test everything possible, start it, let it idle, drive it forward
and
> >
> > backward, taste the water and oil, whatever. In short...get dirty!
> >
> > Ask to camp out overnight in the coach and be sure
everything "feels"
> >
> > ok.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Just my humble opinion.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -Jack
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: Gregoryoc@
> >
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 2:34 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value
help
> > needed please
> > >
> > > Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen to the
seller.
> > The
> > >
> > > more this guy says the less you can believe. Selling is a
> > behavorial
> > >
> > > science. the last crowd played on your excitement in finding a
good
> > >
> > > deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other buyers view.
They
> > >
> > > obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in exchange for
> > dropping
> > >
> > > the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on on word of
> > mouth
> > >
> > > then in the office when things showed up short they got rid of
the
> > >
> > > word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer played you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a conversation
to
> > >
> > > another and asking the guy to please sell you his bus. If you
are
> > >
> > > ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat tractor give me a
call
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregory O'Connor
> > >
> > > 94ptRomoland California
> > >
> > > Scots Demolition and Excavation
> > >
> > > - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
> >
> > >
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Hello:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > to sell.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Gail Remy
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > --- johngilmoremd@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Hello Doug,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > didn't think we would be camping much for a while.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > actually, just to make it easier to store.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > head...there was my coach listed on a local site for
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > had no idea.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > every appliance functions properly. She has the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > original paint and it looks good....orange and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > see some hinges which looked like they dropped the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > switch, button and control that I checked worked
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > started right up. Doghouse has the original sound
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > interior looks like it has had very little wear.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Tires are practically new and match all the way
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > around.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > this baby had been loved over the years. She drove
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > asking more questions. When were the injectors last
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > offered them half what they were asking. After
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > accepted the offer.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > get ready for next weekend.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > That having all been said, this particular coach
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and only be occasionally used. I will most likely
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > to the right person. I don't see these coaches as
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > fine machines and should be owned by individuals who
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > understand and appreciate them.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > -Jack
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > 83 FC 35
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Houston
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > From: dj.long@
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> > > > > parket value help needed please
> > > > >
> > > > > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> > > > > for the right bird
> > > > >
> > > > > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> > > > > for the price
> > > > >
> > > > > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> > > > > happy you kept
> > > > >
> > > > > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> > > > > of mine for a
> > > > >
> > > > > good bird.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug Long
> > > > >
> > > > > Edmonton
> > > > >
> > > > > Wanabee
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Johnson"
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Hello Adria,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > market for preowned
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > BB's has "gone through
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > like the house
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > market, is a bit soft now due
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > should come back in
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > time as people and the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > economy adjust to these new realities. The older
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > coaches, if well
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > maintained, are a real
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > the rate of a new
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > coach and FC's are
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > If I were selling my coach today I would do the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > following:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > the coach
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > records
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and Vintage Bird
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > listings for
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > comparables.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > completed comparable
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > sales.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > comparable listings for
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > known difficiencies or
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > advantages.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > with the family and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > ask myself if I really
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > want to sell it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > in step 4.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > along.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Regards, Eric in San Antonio
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 84FC35SBWL2
> >
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[johngilmoremd@...]

Hi Bob,

I think you may have gotten a couple messages mixed up. I don't recall
asking anyone what it's worth. I know its value.

I merely stated that I had just bought one and had gotten a good deal
on it, much better than expected on a coach that is in exceptional
condition. Certainly I did say that I would consider selling it to the
right person.

My coach is not an '80 model.

I don't treat this kind of coach as a commodity.

There are individuals who would use a nice BB as a full time home. I'm
not one of them. This particular coach is better than most its age out
there for sale and has low mileage to boot. I think it is better
suited for a full timer rather than someone like myself who will only
use it on the occasional weekend.

You are absolutely correct regarding my reply to the individual who
questioned my integrity. I should have simply ignored it.

I spoke with Gail and offered to let him inspect the coach and camp out
in it. No hurry, no rush.

If he doesn't want it for his purposes then no harm done. I'm happy to
have it!

Thanks for the input.

-Jack


-----Original Message-----
From: brjanes@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
needed please

Jack,
I for one totally disagree with you on "dispute" as
your second post was critical, flaming, and outright
obnoxious.

You claimed to have bought a motorhome for one-half
asking price, then your first post was about what the
present market value was on the one like you bought???

You claim that you do not believe Blue Birds are a
commodity then in the same paragraph tell readers that
you would sell yours.

Gail, who was just getting his breath from a $2900 Bird
deal gone sour buying lesson responded.

O'conner responded in a protective way for Gail's behalf
to proceed with caution or a buying mistake could be made
by him again.

You responded directly to O'conner ending with a salutation
in poor Spanish, Goodbye Chicken Shit.

I have never known anyone or heard of anyone tasting oil and
antifreeze during a pre-purchase inspection so I imagine I too
would step to the non beliver side of the line.

BTW:My opinion of value on an 80FC35 is 18-24K depending on
condition. You may see some higher than this but notice also
that they are "For Sale" not "Sold". Regards.

Bob Janes, 87FC35, Greenville, SC






--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@... wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> No dispute here. I've never joined a group before and by the
second
> post had my integrity questioned.
>
> -Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mbulriss@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 11:47 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value help
> needed please
>
> My, my, my! You take the day off and then come home late
Sunday
> night
> and try to get caught up on forum posts..........
>
> You know, it should go without saying, but..... having been on Net
> chat groups for about 12 years now, maybe it's not obvious to
> newcomers to the Net forums these days:
>
> It's really a bad idea on most forums to join on Saturday and by
> Sunday immediately begin cussing out and threatening other members
by
> your third post. IT'S FOR SURE A BAD IDEA ON THIS FORUM. The
> "importance of courtesy toward strangers" portion of the post was
most
> ironic.
>
> NEW MEMBERS - review the Note on "Netiquette" on the forum front
page
> before posting.
>
> Now where did I leave that moderation button?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Bulriss - currently very unhappy WanderlodgeForum Moderator
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@ wrote:
> >
> > Aren't you a ripe one?! LOL
> >
> > Strictly my opinion about how to inspect a coach. Why use test
> strips? After all, you base your opinion of the unit on the seller's
> statements.
> >
> > I didn't purchase my coach to "flip" it. I'm not a dealer and I'm
> not on here regularly hawking coaches. I bought a very nice coach
at a
> great price. I've decided that it's in fabulous condition and I
would
> entertain selling it. But I'm happy to keep it and enjoy it myself.
> >
> > Frankly I don't give a rat's ass whether you believe what I have
to
> say or not. If you were in my area I would be more than glad to meet
> with you and instruct you on the importance of courtesy toward
> strangers. But I suspect you are a crochety old fart with nothing
> better to do than use the internet to try and make yourself feel
> important.
> >
> > Adios Pollo Caca,
> >
> > -Jack
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregoryoc@
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 6:17 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value
help
> needed please
> >
> > Humble, maybe. Honest only if you say you know nothing about the
> >
> > coach you bought to flip. The nestalgic story was cute. Most of us
> >
> > dont have an aquired taste for glycol, I'll use the test strips
> >
> >
> >
> > Gregory O'Connor
> >
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, johngilmoremd@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Interesting idea of course but not how I do it. I think the
best
> >
> > way to inspect a coach is to climb it, crawl under it, open and
close
> >
> > everything, run all the appliances, switch everything on and off,
> >
> > test everything possible, start it, let it idle, drive it forward
and
> >
> > backward, taste the water and oil, whatever. In short...get dirty!
> >
> > Ask to camp out overnight in the coach and be sure
everything "feels"
> >
> > ok.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Just my humble opinion.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -Jack
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: Gregoryoc@
> >
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 2:34 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present parket value
help
> > needed please
> > >
> > > Gail, The best way to inspect a coach is to listen to the
seller.
> > The
> > >
> > > more this guy says the less you can believe. Selling is a
> > behavorial
> > >
> > > science. the last crowd played on your excitement in finding a
good
> > >
> > > deal, and your greed to drop the bus from other buyers view.
They
> > >
> > > obligating you to a 20K deal over the phone in exchange for
> > dropping
> > >
> > > the bus from public bid. You baced the purchase on on word of
> > mouth
> > >
> > > then in the office when things showed up short they got rid of
the
> > >
> > > word of mouth (salesman went home). The dealer played you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is a hearsay approach . you are overhearing a conversation
to
> > >
> > > another and asking the guy to please sell you his bus. If you
are
> > >
> > > ever in the market for a slightly used bobcat tractor give me a
call
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregory O'Connor
> > >
> > > 94ptRomoland California
> > >
> > > Scots Demolition and Excavation
> > >
> > > - In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
> >
> > >
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Hello:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > I am in Austin, Tx I would be interested if you want
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > to sell.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Gail Remy
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > --- johngilmoremd@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Hello Doug,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > I am/was one of those lurkers who was looking.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Years ago I owned an 83 FC 35. We had a lot of fun
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and some incredible trips with her. But we sold due
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > to schedule changes and a new baby on the way. Just
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > didn't think we would be camping much for a while.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > So now that we have a spunky 2 year old daughter
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and 11 year old son we have caught the camping and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > weekend adventure bug again. This time around I was
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > hunting for something smaller, a travel trailer
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > actually, just to make it easier to store.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Then like a lead pipe hitting me on the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > head...there was my coach listed on a local site for
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > sale! Not the same one but the same model...an 83 FC
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > 35 in almost perfect condition! I sent an email with
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > 20 questions to the dealer who had accepted it as
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > trade in. They couldn't even answer the questions,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > had no idea.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Yesterday I took the gang and we had a look at it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > The experience was so nostalgic that it's hard to
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > describe. None of the "seasoned" salespersons wanted
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > to assist. They knew nothing about it and in fact I
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > believe they were intimidated by the cockpit and the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > intricate workings of the coach. So I got the newbie
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > sales-kid and out into the rain we went. I taught
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > him about the coach over the next 3 hours.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > This gorgeous machine has the 3208 turbo, Jake
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > brake, new fridge, ducted air, nice sound
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > system....the tv over the pilot's chair works and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > even has a good picture. Back up cam works great and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > every appliance functions properly. She has the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > original paint and it looks good....orange and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > brown. Apparently was stored indoors. The diamond
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > plating on top is mint. It has a diamond plated
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > spare tire holder on the top at the back with a
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > winch mechanism to load/unload the spare. I didn't
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > have an opportunity to pull the front panels to
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > verify that the rad is mod for swing out but I did
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > see some hinges which looked like they dropped the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > bumper. So I think it's got the swing out mod. Every
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > switch, button and control that I checked worked
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > fine. Slide out mechanism was smooth and the genny
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > started right up. Doghouse has the original sound
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and heat proofing material. Front air and heat works
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > great. Even the misters on the wipers work. The
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > interior looks like it has had very little wear.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Tires are practically new and match all the way
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > around.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > I was stunned. I really couldn't believe how well
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > this baby had been loved over the years. She drove
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > like a dream. So I took a stab at the dealership by
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > asking more questions. When were the injectors last
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > replaced? (2002) Are they sure about the mileage?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > (65K) etc. Well, to make a long story short, I
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > offered them half what they were asking. After
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > several more go 'rounds with the sales manager they
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > accepted the offer.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Frankly I'm still in disbelief. Now that diesel is
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > back down to $2.39 I'm going to fill the tank and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > get ready for next weekend.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > That having all been said, this particular coach
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > needs to go to a full timer. It's too sweet to sit
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and only be occasionally used. I will most likely
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > look to trade it for a toy hauler or outright sale
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > to the right person. I don't see these coaches as
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > just commodities to be bought and sold. They are
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > fine machines and should be owned by individuals who
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > understand and appreciate them.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > So, keep looking. Your bird is out there.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > -Jack
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > 83 FC 35
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Houston
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > From: dj.long@
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 11:51 PM
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: '80 35FC present
> > > > > parket value help needed please
> > > > >
> > > > > And there are plenty of us lurkers out here look'n
> > > > > for the right bird
> > > > >
> > > > > to pounce on. So don'tbe afraid to list. If it sells
> > > > > for the price
> > > > >
> > > > > you need your happy, if it doesn't you tried and be
> > > > > happy you kept
> > > > >
> > > > > her. If you want more kids I would trade one or two
> > > > > of mine for a
> > > > >
> > > > > good bird.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug Long
> > > > >
> > > > > Edmonton
> > > > >
> > > > > Wanabee
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Johnson"
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Hello Adria,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > I'm no guru, but I haven't observed that the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > market for preowned
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > BB's has "gone through
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > the floor". The entire motorhome market, just
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > like the house
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > market, is a bit soft now due
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > to higher interest rates and fuel prices, but
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > should come back in
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > time as people and the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > economy adjust to these new realities. The older
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > coaches, if well
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > maintained, are a real
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > bargain as they don't depreciate at anywhere near
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > the rate of a new
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > coach and FC's are
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > fairly fuel efficient as coaches go.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > If I were selling my coach today I would do the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > following:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 1. Take a good set of interior/exterior photos
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 2. Draft a complete and accurate description of
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > the coach
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 3. Collect and organize all available maintenance
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > records
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 4. Scan BirdConnection, FMCA magazine, WLForum
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > and Vintage Bird
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > listings for
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > comparables.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 5. Do an advanced search on Ebay for any
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > completed comparable
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > sales.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 6. Adjust my price up or down against the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > comparable listings for
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > known difficiencies or
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > advantages.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 7. Take a weekend trip somewhere in the coach
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > with the family and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > ask myself if I really
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > want to sell it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 8. List the coach on all of the sites mentioned
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > in step 4.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > 9. Patiently wait for the right buyer to come
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > along.
> >
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> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Regards, Eric in San Antonio
> >
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