holding tanks and freezing

[Leroy Eckert]

Yeah, I know what you mean. What kinda gas comes from Hot S^%$t? Methane?
Don't want to get it that hot, where is that gas gonna go? Seriously, I have a
couple of full timing Northern friends running around in plastic coaches and I
have seen some of their deals work, including the running water trick. My motor
home neighbor from North Illinois has a favorite saying. KISS. At times, I
think he might be on to something.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL






----- Original Message -----
From: Gardner Yeaw
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:20 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: holding tanks and freezing


I suppose I could look into electric tank heaters, but it seems to
use a bunch of electricity. I would guess that you would attach them
to the bottom of the tanks and then put some kind of insulation over
them to keep the heat in. I think I am beginning to understand where
the term 'hot sh&%$t' came from.

Gardner
78FC33
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> Gardner:
> We can get into the high teens and the low twenties in NW FL. We
open the dump valves and let water slowly run from faucets servicing
the gray and black tanks. In my coach it is the bath sink and the
kitchen sink. When the temp gets above 30 we shut them off. No
water, no ice. Moving water is difficult to freeze. This may not
work in extended sub-freezing situations and very low temps but the
Snowbirds in SOB's do this. Snowbird engineering in NW FL I guess.
Water is in the park fee. LOL
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40
> Niceville, FL
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Robinson
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] holding tanks and freezing
>
>
> Some have used rock salt
>
> On 24/10/06, Gardner Yeaw wrote:
> >
> > I may stretch the North East season with a trip in early
December to
> > Washington DC. I have small electric heaters in the cabinets
with
> > plumbing as well as the rear compartment with the fresh water
tank and
> > hot water heater. What I am concerned about is the grey and
black
> > water tanks. Is there a recommended antifreeze that can be used
to
> > prevent freezing of the liquid that isn't bad for septic
systems?
> >
> > I would expect the temperatures to be above 20 and so I don't
need a
> > lot, but I don't want the dump valves to freeze up.
> >
> > Gardner
> > 78FC33
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
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[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---Gardner:

CAUTION about putting heaters on bottom of tank!!! My 90SP HAD
heaters on bottom and they melted my tanks and they had to be
FIXED....needles to say..I disconnected them!!! Previous owner must
have left heaters on in summer..........so tread carefully on where
u put the heaters....My 90SP is still the BEST!!!
Regards,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36..NOT for sale..
80FC31...FOR SALE in VEGAS for 6 more days & then into
storage..$30,000 and I pay Air Fare..NEVER find a better one!!!
Ready to drive across the country!! NO BUGS!
In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw"
wrote:
>
> I suppose I could look into electric tank heaters, but it seems to
> use a bunch of electricity. I would guess that you would attach
them
> to the bottom of the tanks and then put some kind of insulation
over
> them to keep the heat in. I think I am beginning to understand
where
> the term 'hot sh&%$t' came from.
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> wrote:
> >
> > Gardner:
> > We can get into the high teens and the low twenties in NW FL.
We
> open the dump valves and let water slowly run from faucets
servicing
> the gray and black tanks. In my coach it is the bath sink and the
> kitchen sink. When the temp gets above 30 we shut them off. No
> water, no ice. Moving water is difficult to freeze. This may not
> work in extended sub-freezing situations and very low temps but
the
> Snowbirds in SOB's do this. Snowbird engineering in NW FL I
guess.
> Water is in the park fee. LOL
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rob Robinson
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] holding tanks and freezing
> >
> >
> > Some have used rock salt
> >
> > On 24/10/06, Gardner Yeaw wrote:
> > >
> > > I may stretch the North East season with a trip in early
> December to
> > > Washington DC. I have small electric heaters in the cabinets
> with
> > > plumbing as well as the rear compartment with the fresh
water
> tank and
> > > hot water heater. What I am concerned about is the grey and
> black
> > > water tanks. Is there a recommended antifreeze that can be
used
> to
> > > prevent freezing of the liquid that isn't bad for septic
> systems?
> > >
> > > I would expect the temperatures to be above 20 and so I
don't
> need a
> > > lot, but I don't want the dump valves to freeze up.
> > >
> > > Gardner
> > > 78FC33
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > 94 WLWB
> >
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> >
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> >
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[fwernlein]

Ernie, I start with 1/2 gallon of red RV juice added to each tank
(grey is empty; black tank has my normal "start up" of about 2 toilet
bowls of water and a measured amount of sewage treatment also for good
watery sewage) at this stage never had problems with these amounts.

If the tanks get to half or so I assess temps and add a gallon more
each...my area of operations gets to mid-teens at worst at night, with
days normally higher...so I am not as challenged as others in really
cold areas.

If I was in a really cold area, i would consider making a small
reference jar of about 20% RV red juice rest water...if it freezes up
when left outside..time for more juice and supplemental heat and wind
shielding for the tanks as Tom M. and others have mentioned.





--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
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> Frank, how much rv antifreeze do you use per tank?
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83 PT40
> Livingston, Montana where it will get cold and I will have to use
something
> before heading where we don't
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[Gardner Yeaw]

I think I will go with the pink stuff. I will most likley need to
drain and blow out the system after my November 3rd trip, and then
re-activate the coach when I take the December trip. I don't have
electric where I store it and there is no sense in taking the chance
of a freeze-up. Anyway, if the weather even hints that there might
be ice on the roads we will not take the Bird out. I may be nuts,
but I'm not crazy. I can't imagine how I would handle a skidding 13
ton bus without several changes of underware!

Gardner
78FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, dspithaler@... wrote:
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> Kerry The dump valves can freeze. One year before leaving
here at
> Thanksgiving time to go to Nashville, TN it got cold & I hadn't
winterized because
> we were going to be using it. When I went to leave I found that
one of my
> valves had frozen & broke. We stayed home & missed that trip.
> Don
> 89 SP 36'
> Butler, PA
>
>
> Unless the tanks get full, I don't think there's a big problem
with
> freezing holding tanks, as long as the days get warm enough to
dump the
> tanks when you want to. There's room for the ice to expand in a
less
> than full tank. In fact, frozen sewage doesn't smell as bad.
>
> Kerry
> 82 FC 35
> Denver
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