Cold weather camping, part 2

[Pete Masterson]

NASA went to space and the astronauts used plastic baggies and
bottled water. That was only after they "graduated" from diapers!

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA




On Dec 4, 2006, at 5:17 PM, erniecarpet@... wrote:

> Hi Steve- thanks for your input. Glad to know that I'm not the only
> one that
> has cold weather issues. Wish we could figure a way around the
> cold- other
> then going south.
> I know that the water line runs are enclosed and that no warm air
> can get
> to them. I wonder if there is something better then heat tape to
> help us out?
> If Nasa can go in space~ ernie- 83PT40 in Texas- water lines
> thawed- holding
> tanks- not



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[Bob & Carol Howald`]

Maybe I don't understand the problem or question???But, my
onboard aux compressor is plumbed thru the Drier...In order to get
air to the bag's etc it has to go thru the drier. Bob 93pt-Il. might
get a little melting today.







In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
>
> Ron are you saying your aux air compressor is plumbed through the
air
> dryer? If not how will that help?
>
> tom warner
> vernon center,ny
> 1985 PT 40
>
> At 11:40 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
> >A nice feature for some of us equipped with an Auxiliary
Compressor is
> >the fact that you can do that without running the engine.
> >
> >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "whistles_n_bells"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ernie:
> > >
> > > Glad to learn that you are closer to your home. Just a thought;
when you
> > > were in Montana during cold temperatures, did you use your bus
while
> > > you were there? I was thinking that if you didn't run your
engine, the
> > > air dryer would not be activated and any condensation would of
course
> > > freeze. One of the reasons us old bus drivers and truckers
keep the
> > > engines running in cold climates. Again Ernie, just a thought.
Enjoy the
> > > warm weather.
> > >
> > > Joe (Pappy) Hagan
> > > St. George, UT
> > > Wannabe
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tom, you may be correct. i have noticed that when the dryer
blows off,
> > > there
> > > > is a little more air coming through. It used to blow off then
quit- no
> > > more
> > > > air. Since I'll be home for a while, I can address this issue
without
> > > lying
> > > > on ice~ ernie -83PT40 in Texas
> > > >
> > > >
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> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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[Terry Neal]

Tom, Aren't you are saying the aux compressor should be plumbed into the
Bird air dryer system? That means that all the air going in to the
coach system has been filtered through the air dryer. At least that's
how I read your post. Please correct me if I read it wrong. This is
how my aux air compressor is going to be routed.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34



Tom Warner wrote:

> Ron are you saying your aux air compressor is plumbed through the air
> dryer? If not how will that help?
>
> tom warner
> vernon center,ny
> 1985 PT 40
>
> At 11:40 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
> >A nice feature for some of us equipped with an Auxiliary Compressor is
> >the fact that you can do that without running the engine.
> >
> >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , "whistles_n_bells"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ernie:
> > >
> > > Glad to learn that you are closer to your home. Just a thought;
> when you
> > > were in Montana during cold temperatures, did you use your bus while
> > > you were there? I was thinking that if you didn't run your engine, the
> > > air dryer would not be activated and any condensation would of course
> > > freeze. One of the reasons us old bus drivers and truckers keep the
> > > engines running in cold climates. Again Ernie, just a thought.
> Enjoy the
> > > warm weather.
> > >
> > > Joe (Pappy) Hagan
> > > St. George, UT
> > > Wannabe
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tom, you may be correct. i have noticed that when the dryer
> blows off,
> > > there
> > > > is a little more air coming through. It used to blow off then
> quit- no
> > > more
> > > > air. Since I'll be home for a while, I can address this issue
> without
> > > lying
> > > > on ice~ ernie -83PT40 in Texas
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
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> >
>
>

[Bob & Carol Howald`]

I used to have a 84 1/2pt-40 without a onboard compressor. I
installed one and ran the line to the same line that goes to the
shrader valve in the rear of the coach this in turn goes directly to
the drier. Can't imagine an on board compressor without going to the
drier??
Bob 93pt 40






In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Terry Neal wrote:
>
> Tom, Aren't you are saying the aux compressor should be plumbed
into the
> Bird air dryer system? That means that all the air going in to the
> coach system has been filtered through the air dryer. At least
that's
> how I read your post. Please correct me if I read it wrong. This
is
> how my aux air compressor is going to be routed.
>
> Terry Neal
> Bozeman, MT
> 82PT40
> 74FC34
>
>
>
> Tom Warner wrote:
>
> > Ron are you saying your aux air compressor is plumbed through the
air
> > dryer? If not how will that help?
> >
> > tom warner
> > vernon center,ny
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> > At 11:40 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
> > >A nice feature for some of us equipped with an Auxiliary
Compressor is
> > >the fact that you can do that without running the engine.
> > >
> > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , "whistles_n_bells"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ernie:
> > > >
> > > > Glad to learn that you are closer to your home. Just a
thought;
> > when you
> > > > were in Montana during cold temperatures, did you use your
bus while
> > > > you were there? I was thinking that if you didn't run your
engine, the
> > > > air dryer would not be activated and any condensation would
of course
> > > > freeze. One of the reasons us old bus drivers and truckers
keep the
> > > > engines running in cold climates. Again Ernie, just a
thought.
> > Enjoy the
> > > > warm weather.
> > > >
> > > > Joe (Pappy) Hagan
> > > > St. George, UT
> > > > Wannabe
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom, you may be correct. i have noticed that when the dryer
> > blows off,
> > > > there
> > > > > is a little more air coming through. It used to blow off
then
> > quit- no
> > > > more
> > > > > air. Since I'll be home for a while, I can address this
issue
> > without
> > > > lying
> > > > > on ice~ ernie -83PT40 in Texas
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[Terry Neal]

Agree with you Bob. Thanks for your confirmation. I am using a small
SENCO compressor for my aux system. Should be large enough for my needs
and the coach air system for early am startups. It is rated at 125 PSI
& has a small single tank but I will use the existing outside air
connection for all of my tire & tool needs so this one is just to get it
all started without running the engine. I'll probably mount it above
the new IOTA chargers on a shelf. Should be room for it and a new
inverter. I'll put a shut off valve with a T into the rear shrader
valve inlet so I can still use the external air inlet of the shrader
valve too.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34



Bob & Carol Howald` wrote:

> I used to have a 84 1/2pt-40 without a onboard compressor. I
> installed one and ran the line to the same line that goes to the
> shrader valve in the rear of the coach this in turn goes directly to
> the drier. Can't imagine an on board compressor without going to the
> drier??
> Bob 93pt 40
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , Terry Neal wrote:
> >
> > Tom, Aren't you are saying the aux compressor should be plumbed
> into the
> > Bird air dryer system? That means that all the air going in to the
> > coach system has been filtered through the air dryer. At least
> that's
> > how I read your post. Please correct me if I read it wrong. This
> is
> > how my aux air compressor is going to be routed.
> >
> > Terry Neal
> > Bozeman, MT
> > 82PT40
> > 74FC34
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > > Ron are you saying your aux air compressor is plumbed through the
> air
> > > dryer? If not how will that help?
> > >
> > > tom warner
> > > vernon center,ny
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > > At 11:40 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
> > > >A nice feature for some of us equipped with an Auxiliary
> Compressor is
> > > >the fact that you can do that without running the engine.
> > > >
> > > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > , "whistles_n_bells"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ernie:
> > > > >
> > > > > Glad to learn that you are closer to your home. Just a
> thought;
> > > when you
> > > > > were in Montana during cold temperatures, did you use your
> bus while
> > > > > you were there? I was thinking that if you didn't run your
> engine, the
> > > > > air dryer would not be activated and any condensation would
> of course
> > > > > freeze. One of the reasons us old bus drivers and truckers
> keep the
> > > > > engines running in cold climates. Again Ernie, just a
> thought.
> > > Enjoy the
> > > > > warm weather.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe (Pappy) Hagan
> > > > > St. George, UT
> > > > > Wannabe
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > , erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom, you may be correct. i have noticed that when the dryer
> > > blows off,
> > > > > there
> > > > > > is a little more air coming through. It used to blow off
> then
> > > quit- no
> > > > > more
> > > > > > air. Since I'll be home for a while, I can address this
> issue
> > > without
> > > > > lying
> > > > > > on ice~ ernie -83PT40 in Texas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
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> > >
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> >
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>

[Tom Warner]

Bob just for clarification does the rear shrader valve go to the
output or the input of the air dryer? I do not have a drawing to show
that. Is this the same for the 80 series years or only for the 90s?
tom warner
vernon center,ny
1985 PT 40

At 01:36 PM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
> I used to have a 84 1/2pt-40 without a onboard compressor. I
>installed one and ran the line to the same line that goes to the
>shrader valve in the rear of the coach this in turn goes directly to
>the drier. Can't imagine an on board compressor without going to the
>drier??
>Bob 93pt 40
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Terry Neal wrote:
> >
> > Tom, Aren't you are saying the aux compressor should be plumbed
>into the
> > Bird air dryer system? That means that all the air going in to the
> > coach system has been filtered through the air dryer. At least
>that's
> > how I read your post. Please correct me if I read it wrong. This
>is
> > how my aux air compressor is going to be routed.
> >
> > Terry Neal
> > Bozeman, MT
> > 82PT40
> > 74FC34
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > > Ron are you saying your aux air compressor is plumbed through the
>air
> > > dryer? If not how will that help?
> > >
> > > tom warner
> > > vernon center,ny
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > > At 11:40 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
> > > >A nice feature for some of us equipped with an Auxiliary
>Compressor is
> > > >the fact that you can do that without running the engine.
> > > >
> > > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > , "whistles_n_bells"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ernie:
> > > > >
> > > > > Glad to learn that you are closer to your home. Just a
>thought;
> > > when you
> > > > > were in Montana during cold temperatures, did you use your
>bus while
> > > > > you were there? I was thinking that if you didn't run your
>engine, the
> > > > > air dryer would not be activated and any condensation would
>of course
> > > > > freeze. One of the reasons us old bus drivers and truckers
>keep the
> > > > > engines running in cold climates. Again Ernie, just a
>thought.
> > > Enjoy the
> > > > > warm weather.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe (Pappy) Hagan
> > > > > St. George, UT
> > > > > Wannabe
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > , erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom, you may be correct. i have noticed that when the dryer
> > > blows off,
> > > > > there
> > > > > > is a little more air coming through. It used to blow off
>then
> > > quit- no
> > > > > more
> > > > > > air. Since I'll be home for a while, I can address this
>issue
> > > without
> > > > > lying
> > > > > > on ice~ ernie -83PT40 in Texas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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[Dan Darst]

Bob. I did my own install on the aux air compressor and connected the air
line (copper tubing) to the wet tank. At that point I believe that the air
does not flow through the drier because it never purges. Jeff was the
guidance on this place to tie it in. Has so far worked exactly as needed.
Once I could not air up for a trip and did not know the purge valve was
stuck open at the time. Ran the aux air compressor and did the trip as
normal. Air cannot return to the aux compressor from the wet tank due to a
check valve.

dandarst86fc35rbhuntleyil.


>From: "Bob & Carol Howald`"
>Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Cold weather camping, part 2
>Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:45:11 -0000
>
> Maybe I don't understand the problem or question???But, my
>onboard aux compressor is plumbed thru the Drier...In order to get
>air to the bag's etc it has to go thru the drier. Bob 93pt-Il. might
>get a little melting today.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > Ron are you saying your aux air compressor is plumbed through the
>air
> > dryer? If not how will that help?
> >
> > tom warner
> > vernon center,ny
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> > At 11:40 AM 12/5/2006, you wrote:
> > >A nice feature for some of us equipped with an Auxiliary
>Compressor is
> > >the fact that you can do that without running the engine.
> > >
> > >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "whistles_n_bells"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ernie:
> > > >
> > > > Glad to learn that you are closer to your home. Just a thought;
>when you
> > > > were in Montana during cold temperatures, did you use your bus
>while
> > > > you were there? I was thinking that if you didn't run your
>engine, the
> > > > air dryer would not be activated and any condensation would of
>course
> > > > freeze. One of the reasons us old bus drivers and truckers
>keep the
> > > > engines running in cold climates. Again Ernie, just a thought.
>Enjoy the
> > > > warm weather.
> > > >
> > > > Joe (Pappy) Hagan
> > > > St. George, UT
> > > > Wannabe
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom, you may be correct. i have noticed that when the dryer
>blows off,
> > > > there
> > > > > is a little more air coming through. It used to blow off then
>quit- no
> > > > more
> > > > > air. Since I'll be home for a while, I can address this issue
>without
> > > > lying
> > > > > on ice~ ernie -83PT40 in Texas
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
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[p_a_lazar]

For those without aux compressor in mid 90's WBs, there is a pipe
fitting that is capped in the second bay, street side in the rear.
This is the input to the air system from the aux compressor if you had
one.

All you need to do is plumb the output from ANY compressor into this
and it feeds to the air drier input side and has a check valve to
prevent back feed.

Also, in that same compartment, is the electrical box that is
controlled by the AUX compressor switch on the dashboard.

Paul
97wb43

[The Squires]

Gardner,

Slight correction. The brass monkeys (the cannon ball stands) were used on
board the old sailing ships. You can image loose cannon balls rolling
everywhere in rough seas. They were square on the bottom with indentions
for each cannon ball. The next row up was simply between the balls on the
bottom row until you achieve a pyramid of cannon balls. The part about
"being cold enough to freeze..." is still the same principle.

Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gardner Yeaw
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:57 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Cold weather camping, part 2


Ernie,

I was reading on some obscure website about cold, brass, and monkeys.

It seems that back in the day there were stands used in the
forts to stack cannon balls on. These stands were made of brass. So
when the weather got really, really cold, the brass stand
contracted enough for the cannon balls to fall off. Hence the
infamous expression!

Believe it or not!

Gardner
78FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> Hi Steve- thanks for your input. Glad to know that I'm not the
only one that
> has cold weather issues. Wish we could figure a way around the
cold- other
> then going south.
> I know that the water line runs are enclosed and that no warm air
can get
> to them. I wonder if there is something better then heat tape to
help us out?
> If Nasa can go in space~ ernie- 83PT40 in Texas- water lines
thawed- holding
> tanks- not
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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