Dump Valve Rebuild?

[Gregory OConnor]

Pete, many owners use the onboard tanks to contain the aux
aircompressor charge. With that arangement you can eliminate the aux
air tank. Some OEM BB tanks on the bus will not drain back to the
other tanks in an effort to keep Airbrakes charged longer if an
appliance like the sewer Air valve fails and leaks air.

To keep from pressurizing the brakes and bag tank you may be able to
follow the pressure line from the sewer dump valve to the onboard
isolated tank. The Tank should have a plug that can be removed and
hard pipe the tank to an accessable shrader valve or a female
quickcoupler( like you have on air tools).

It sound as if you hooked the Microphor toilet to the new aux
aircompressor. you can also attach the dump valves to the aux
compressor tank and hardpipe the auxcompressor tank to one of the air
outlet fittings from the DD compressor. no need to run the aux
compressor while on the road.

If you are running the aux compressor with the inverter this may
also be a big draw on batteries.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa





Masterson wrote:
>
> Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention
the
> &^%^&% air valves ...
>
> I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump,
especially
> when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run
a
> 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage.
>
> So, does anybody know if
> 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the
auxiliary
> compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and
will
> that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently
operate
> the air valves without stressing the compressor, or
> 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of
> installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't
> really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close
> enough to the sewage as it is...
>
> When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on
> the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have
> noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up'
to
> do a dump.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>

[ernieekberg@...>]

Terry- let me know how you plumb in your aux air compressor. It takes me forever
to build air and I would like to be able to leave sooner then before- especially
if this river rises too fast on spring thaw.
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston,Montana
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Neal
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Dump Valve Rebuild?


I don't have air valves Pete. I just mentioned them so Keith could
consider them as an option. I know there are electric valves out there
too. Believe they are 12 volt.

I don't see why you can't power your waste valves from your aux air
system if your aux compressor is plumbed into your coach air system?
Should be an easy modification for your coach I think.

That's what most people are doing with an aux compressor anyway so you
don't have to fire up that big diesel to have air to leave a campground
or to dump your holding tanks.

I have an aux compressor that I will plumb into my coach air system so I
won't kill any neighbors on a cold Detroit start up.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40 6V92TA
74FC34 6V53T

Pete Masterson wrote:

> Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention the
> &^%^&% air valves ...
>
> I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump, especially
> when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run a
> 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage.
>
> So, does anybody know if
> 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the auxiliary
> compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and will
> that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently operate
> the air valves without stressing the compressor, or
> 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of
> installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't
> really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close
> enough to the sewage as it is...
>
> When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on
> the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have
> noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up' to
> do a dump.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
> On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote:
>
> > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products
> > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock as
> > well as
> > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves if that
> > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. If you
> > get
> > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out easily. If
> > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a new one in.
> >
> > Terry Neal
> > Bozeman, MT
> > 82PT40 6V92TA
> > 74FC34 6V53T
> >
> >
> > Keith Strehle wrote:
> >
> >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the twist lock
> >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like the
> >> Dupree
> >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies glued in?
> >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the gate
> >> assembly?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Keith
> >>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Gregory OConnor]

Mike, My 94 doesnt have an aux air compressor or air to the toilet
what ever that is all about????.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
wrote:
>
> OK, I'll bite. You don't have an aux air compressor that pre-loads
> your chassis air tanks, which is then used to power the dump
valves?
> That's the way my 91 works. I thought all the late 80s and up had
that??
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
> wrote:
> >
> > Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention
the
> > &^%^&% air valves ...
> >
> > I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump,
especially
> > when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run
a
> > 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage.
> >
> > So, does anybody know if
> > 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the
auxiliary
> > compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and
will
> > that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently
operate
> > the air valves without stressing the compressor, or
> > 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of
> > installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly
don't
> > really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are
close
> > enough to the sewage as it is...
> >
> > When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump
on
> > the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I
have
> > noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up'
to
> > do a dump.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > aeonix1@
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > El Sobrante, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote:
> >
> > > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products
> > > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock
as
> > > well as
> > > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves if
that
> > > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. If
you
> > > get
> > > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out
easily. If
> > > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a new
one in.
> > >
> > > Terry Neal
> > > Bozeman, MT
> > > 82PT40 6V92TA
> > > 74FC34 6V53T
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith Strehle wrote:
> > >
> > >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the
twist lock
> > >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like
the
> > >> Dupree
> > >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies
glued in?
> > >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the gate
> > >> assembly?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Keith
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Pete Masterson]

The aux compressor is a 12v and appears to be the same one that's
listed as an option on the Microphor web site. The compressor doesn't
kick on very often since it takes a lot of flushes to get from 90PSI
down to 65 PSI when the compressor comes on. It appears to hold
pressure fairly well so it doesn't kick on in semi-storage except
every few days. (Coach in front of the house.)

I don't know if there's any air lines currently connected between the
aux tank and the main air system. Even if the aux compressor went on
while underway, I doubt I'd be aware of it. It's pretty quiet. I've
occasionally heard it from outside the coach while working on other
stuff.

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA




On Feb 27, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Gregory OConnor wrote:

> Pete, many owners use the onboard tanks to contain the aux
> aircompressor charge. With that arangement you can eliminate the aux
> air tank. Some OEM BB tanks on the bus will not drain back to the
> other tanks in an effort to keep Airbrakes charged longer if an
> appliance like the sewer Air valve fails and leaks air.
>
> To keep from pressurizing the brakes and bag tank you may be able to
> follow the pressure line from the sewer dump valve to the onboard
> isolated tank. The Tank should have a plug that can be removed and
> hard pipe the tank to an accessable shrader valve or a female
> quickcoupler( like you have on air tools).
>
> It sound as if you hooked the Microphor toilet to the new aux
> aircompressor. you can also attach the dump valves to the aux
> compressor tank and hardpipe the auxcompressor tank to one of the air
> outlet fittings from the DD compressor. no need to run the aux
> compressor while on the road.
>
> If you are running the aux compressor with the inverter this may
> also be a big draw on batteries.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
>
>
>
>
> Masterson wrote:
>>
>> Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention
> the
>> &^%^&% air valves ...
>>
>> I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump,
> especially
>> when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run
> a
>> 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage.
>>
>> So, does anybody know if
>> 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the
> auxiliary
>> compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and
> will
>> that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently
> operate
>> the air valves without stressing the compressor, or
>> 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of
>> installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't
>> really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close
>> enough to the sewage as it is...
>>
>> When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on
>> the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have
>> noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up'
> to
>> do a dump.
>>
>> Pete Masterson
>> aeonix1@...
>> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
>> El Sobrante, CA
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



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[Don Bradner]

Sounds like you have an electric-only Microphor (as I do) instead of one of the
ones with air assist?

On 2/28/2007 at 2:00 AM Gregory OConnor wrote:

>Mike, My 94 doesnt have an aux air compressor or air to the toilet
>what ever that is all about????.


Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

[Pete Masterson]

Here's the link to the Microphor web site:
<http://www.microphor.com/html/rec.html>

Many of the newer 'birds have this toilet. My coach has the LF219 model.

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA




On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Gregory OConnor wrote:

> Mike, My 94 doesnt have an aux air compressor or air to the toilet
> what ever that is all about????.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
<snip>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Robert Britton]

When I have no air pressure and need to dump, I am able to use the
air valves manually. It's a little inconvenient but I don't have the
need to do that very often so no big deal.

With the engine running, the air from the compressor goes to the air-
dryer then to the tanks. With an auxiliary compressor, is there a
need to be concerned about filling the tanks without going through
the air-dryer?

Robert Britton
87FC
Hollister, California




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention
the
> &^%^&% air valves ...
>
> I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump,
especially
> when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run
a
> 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage.
>
> So, does anybody know if
> 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the
auxiliary
> compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and
will
> that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently
operate
> the air valves without stressing the compressor, or
> 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of
> installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't
> really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close
> enough to the sewage as it is...
>
> When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on
> the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have
> noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up'
to
> do a dump.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote:
>
> > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products
> > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock as
> > well as
> > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves if
that
> > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. If
you
> > get
> > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out
easily. If
> > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a new
one in.
> >
> > Terry Neal
> > Bozeman, MT
> > 82PT40 6V92TA
> > 74FC34 6V53T
> >
> >
> > Keith Strehle wrote:
> >
> >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the twist
lock
> >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like
the
> >> Dupree
> >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies
glued in?
> >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the gate
> >> assembly?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Keith
> >>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Terry Neal]

Will do Ernie. I bought a Senco dual tank model for the Bird. Nice &
small, 120 volt.

Kellie won't let me start the Detroit until I go outside & warn anyone
within 50 yards or so. This should solve that problem.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40 6V92TA
74FC34 6V53T



ernieekberg@... wrote:

> Terry- let me know how you plumb in your aux air compressor. It takes
> me forever to build air and I would like to be able to leave sooner
> then before- especially if this river rises too fast on spring thaw.
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston,Montana
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Neal
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Dump Valve Rebuild?
>
> I don't have air valves Pete. I just mentioned them so Keith could
> consider them as an option. I know there are electric valves out there
> too. Believe they are 12 volt.
>
> I don't see why you can't power your waste valves from your aux air
> system if your aux compressor is plumbed into your coach air system?
> Should be an easy modification for your coach I think.
>
> That's what most people are doing with an aux compressor anyway so you
> don't have to fire up that big diesel to have air to leave a campground
> or to dump your holding tanks.
>
> I have an aux compressor that I will plumb into my coach air system so I
> won't kill any neighbors on a cold Detroit start up.
>
> Terry Neal
> Bozeman, MT
> 82PT40 6V92TA
> 74FC34 6V53T
>
> Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> > Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention the
> > &^%^&% air valves ...
> >
> > I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump, especially
> > when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run a
> > 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage.
> >
> > So, does anybody know if
> > 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the auxiliary
> > compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and will
> > that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently operate
> > the air valves without stressing the compressor, or
> > 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of
> > installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't
> > really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close
> > enough to the sewage as it is...
> >
> > When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on
> > the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have
> > noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up' to
> > do a dump.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > aeonix1@...
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > El Sobrante, CA
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote:
> >
> > > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products
> > > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock as
> > > well as
> > > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves if that
> > > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. If you
> > > get
> > > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out easily. If
> > > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a new one in.
> > >
> > > Terry Neal
> > > Bozeman, MT
> > > 82PT40 6V92TA
> > > 74FC34 6V53T
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith Strehle wrote:
> > >
> > >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the twist lock
> > >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like the
> > >> Dupree
> > >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies glued in?
> > >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the gate
> > >> assembly?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Keith
> > >>
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Terry Neal]

Robert, if you plumb into the system at your Schrader valve hookup
location (mine is in the rear engine compartment), you are going to be
feeding the aux air into the main system before the air dryer so that's
covered.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40 6V92TA
74FC34 6V53T



Robert Britton wrote:

> When I have no air pressure and need to dump, I am able to use the
> air valves manually. It's a little inconvenient but I don't have the
> need to do that very often so no big deal.
>
> With the engine running, the air from the compressor goes to the air-
> dryer then to the tanks. With an auxiliary compressor, is there a
> need to be concerned about filling the tanks without going through
> the air-dryer?
>
> Robert Britton
> 87FC
> Hollister, California
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , Pete Masterson
> wrote:
> >
> > Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention
> the
> > &^%^&% air valves ...
> >
> > I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump,
> especially
> > when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run
> a
> > 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage.
> >
> > So, does anybody know if
> > 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the
> auxiliary
> > compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and
> will
> > that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently
> operate
> > the air valves without stressing the compressor, or
> > 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of
> > installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't
> > really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close
> > enough to the sewage as it is...
> >
> > When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on
> > the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have
> > noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up'
> to
> > do a dump.
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > aeonix1@...
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> > El Sobrante, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Terry Neal wrote:
> >
> > > Keith, you should contact Jeff Miller at Dupree Products
> > > (616.355.9811). He owns Dupree now & has the valves in stock as
> > > well as
> > > all the rebuild parts. Also,. you can upgrade to air valves if
> that
> > > interests you? The bodies are glued into the tank adapter. If
> you
> > > get
> > > lucky, the adapter that screws into the tank will turn out
> easily. If
> > > not, you have the cut the fitting out of the tank & glue a new
> one in.
> > >
> > > Terry Neal
> > > Bozeman, MT
> > > 82PT40 6V92TA
> > > 74FC34 6V53T
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith Strehle wrote:
> > >
> > >> The next item on the list is the dump valves. They are the twist
> lock
> > >> type and appear to be original equipment. The look just like
> the
> > >> Dupree
> > >> valves? Are there knockoffs out there? Are the valve bodies
> glued in?
> > >> If they are Dupree valves, should I rebuild or replace the gate
> > >> assembly?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Keith
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Curt Sprenger]

Pete,
I may be chiming in late on this thread. Our coach has two auxiliary
compressors. A 12V auxiliary compressor for the toilet, and a 120V
auxiliary compressor to do the same thing as the 8V92 engine compressor.
I'm sure this can be added to your coach. The 120V airs up the entire
coach system, toilet excluded and that will be changed in the future,
another project, and I can dump the holding tanks once aired up and
never start the 8V92.

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, Calif.



Pete Masterson wrote:

> As things are currently arranged, the auxiliary compressor only does
> the toilet. It cuts in around 65# and cuts out at 90PSI. I'd be happy
> if it did the dump valves. The suspension/brakes -- well, I'd just as
> soon leave those alone. Anyway, I don't mind waiting for the air for
> a departure ... the series 60 doesn't take all that long to
> pressurize the system --- I usually run it to air up while I'm
> raising the HWH jacks anyway, so it doesn't delay a departure much.
> (I still go and visually check the HWH jacks to make sure they're up.)
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
> On Feb 27, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Don Bradner wrote:
>
> > So your auxilliary pump only does the Microphor? Mine will fill
> > anything/everything, including air bags. It cuts out at 90PSI.
> >
> > I like being able to have full-usable air before the engine is even
> > started. The 8V92 doesn't need a long warmup (my opinion, anyway),
> > so I can roll soon after startup.
> >
> > On 2/27/2007 at 4:42 PM Pete Masterson wrote:
> >
> >> Now that there is a discussion of dump valves ... and you mention the
> >> &^%^&% air valves ...
> >>
> >> I really hate having to 'air up' the coach just to dump, especially
> >> when I'm in an RV park for a week or so. It seems so silly to run a
> >> 500 hp engine just to get the air pressure to dump the sewage.
> >>
> >> So, does anybody know if
> >> 1. is it practical to re-route the air valve source to the auxiliary
> >> compressor (used to provide air to the Microphor toilet) -- and will
> >> that compressor be able to provide enough air to efficiently operate
> >> the air valves without stressing the compressor, or
> >> 2. what are some of the alternatives (and costs + ease of
> >> installation). Are electric valves a good idea? I certainly don't
> >> really want to hassle with manual valves... the switches are close
> >> enough to the sewage as it is...
> >>
> >> When in an RV park, I usually go 3 days between dumps or I dump on
> >> the day we leave... It's not like I do it all the time, but I have
> >> noticed a few strange looks from neighbors after I've 'aired up' to
> >> do a dump.
> >
> >
> > Don Bradner
> > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > Eureka, CA
> >
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