Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
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03-09-2007, 04:03
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Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
You are right about the Expansion Valve Mike, it has to be replaced. You
only want to charge a R134 system to about 80% of the quantity of R12. R134 does not have the tolerance that a R12 system does for over or under charging and it takes a different amount than R12. We have found that at about 80% the system will function a little weaker than a R12 at idle, and equal to or better than a R12 at running rpm. Except for my bus, which didn't work out, this applies to the cars and trucks we have done. The hoses in our BB were not lined so I lost too much Freon through the hoses and it was too much work to replace them. I also decided that I did not want the power load on a 210NA. - Chuck Wheeler - 82 FC 31 SB Fort Worth, TX _____ From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hohnstein Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:22 AM To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC 134A likes more condenser, you can't have too much. I used the old hoses, new blower motors and had to change the expansion valve, stuff got in it. Flush every thing you want to reuse and do up a new EV. It will all be good. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Thanks for your experiences and advice here! That really helps. I'm going to try my luck with the existing hoses. I'll take it to a local shop and see if they hold a vacuum and have them cleaned out. If that looks good, i'll put on a new compressor and probably condensor, and (hopefully) go happily down the road as cool as I want to be. I did look into alternatives. There are aftermarket units that are made for trucks and tractors that I could have used. They were self-contained and the compressors would run off of 120v. After talking to one of these manufactures (http://www.danhard.com) I decided against it just because of capacity. The chassis one should put out around 36,000btu. While even the largest 120v one would be 15,000 btu. Thanks again, Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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03-09-2007, 13:51
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Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
Before I converted to R134 an a/c technician advised me that my expansion valve
was inop. My expansion valve is a major job to replace because I think the bus was built around the valve and the evaporator. I did not change it. Everything works fine after charging the system with R134 to 80% of R12 value. I also changed the dryer and the compressor oil. I will see how it does over the long term. I can always tear the bus apart later, if necessary. Just reporting here. Please do not do what I do unless you are prepared for the potential consequences. I'm still wondering about the a/c tech. Leroy Eckert 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors" Niceville, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Wheeler To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC You are right about the Expansion Valve Mike, it has to be replaced. You only want to charge a R134 system to about 80% of the quantity of R12. R134 does not have the tolerance that a R12 system does for over or under charging and it takes a different amount than R12. We have found that at about 80% the system will function a little weaker than a R12 at idle, and equal to or better than a R12 at running rpm. Except for my bus, which didn't work out, this applies to the cars and trucks we have done. The hoses in our BB were not lined so I lost too much Freon through the hoses and it was too much work to replace them. I also decided that I did not want the power load on a 210NA. - Chuck Wheeler - 82 FC 31 SB Fort Worth, TX _____ From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hohnstein Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:22 AM To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC 134A likes more condenser, you can't have too much. I used the old hoses, new blower motors and had to change the expansion valve, stuff got in it. Flush every thing you want to reuse and do up a new EV. It will all be good. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Thanks for your experiences and advice here! That really helps. I'm going to try my luck with the existing hoses. I'll take it to a local shop and see if they hold a vacuum and have them cleaned out. If that looks good, i'll put on a new compressor and probably condensor, and (hopefully) go happily down the road as cool as I want to be. I did look into alternatives. There are aftermarket units that are made for trucks and tractors that I could have used. They were self-contained and the compressors would run off of 120v. After talking to one of these manufactures (http://www.danhard.com) I decided against it just because of capacity. The chassis one should put out around 36,000btu. While even the largest 120v one would be 15,000 btu. Thanks again, Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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03-09-2007, 17:14
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Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
Mike, do you have a good source/price for the red dot condenser? Thanks
Dan 88pt38 Jackson, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC 134A likes more condenser, you can't have too much. I used the old hoses, new blower motors and had to change the expansion valve, stuff got in it. Flush every thing you want to reuse and do up a new EV. It will all be good. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Thanks for your experiences and advice here! That really helps. I'm going to try my luck with the existing hoses. I'll take it to a local shop and see if they hold a vacuum and have them cleaned out. If that looks good, i'll put on a new compressor and probably condensor, and (hopefully) go happily down the road as cool as I want to be. I did look into alternatives. There are aftermarket units that are made for trucks and tractors that I could have used. They were self-contained and the compressors would run off of 120v. After talking to one of these manufactures (http://www.danhard.com) I decided against it just because of capacity. The chassis one should put out around 36,000btu. While even the largest 120v one would be 15,000 btu. Thanks again, Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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03-10-2007, 01:32
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Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
When I need a part, I go to the mfr. site, do a distributor search and go from
there. A few calls to various suppliers will reveal who has inventory and who only orders when needed. The larger stocking dealers will usually give up the good price as they like to turn over inventory. Any thing you need is as close as the UPS truck. My local distributor is nice to deal with, but I have to stay on top of them on pricing as they are greedy and it takes them too long to get parts they don't stock. Red dot has a good site, in fact I found the unit I decided on and told my local guys what to order. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Mike, do you have a good source/price for the red dot condenser? Thanks Dan 88pt38 Jackson, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC 134A likes more condenser, you can't have too much. I used the old hoses, new blower motors and had to change the expansion valve, stuff got in it. Flush every thing you want to reuse and do up a new EV. It will all be good. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Thanks for your experiences and advice here! That really helps. I'm going to try my luck with the existing hoses. I'll take it to a local shop and see if they hold a vacuum and have them cleaned out. If that looks good, i'll put on a new compressor and probably condensor, and (hopefully) go happily down the road as cool as I want to be. I did look into alternatives. There are aftermarket units that are made for trucks and tractors that I could have used. They were self-contained and the compressors would run off of 120v. After talking to one of these manufactures (http://www.danhard.com) I decided against it just because of capacity. The chassis one should put out around 36,000btu. While even the largest 120v one would be 15,000 btu. Thanks again, Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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03-14-2007, 11:01
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Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
Does $932.08 sound about right for an R4500 condenser?
Dan Jxn, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC When I need a part, I go to the mfr. site, do a distributor search and go from there. A few calls to various suppliers will reveal who has inventory and who only orders when needed. The larger stocking dealers will usually give up the good price as they like to turn over inventory. Any thing you need is as close as the UPS truck. My local distributor is nice to deal with, but I have to stay on top of them on pricing as they are greedy and it takes them too long to get parts they don't stock. Red dot has a good site, in fact I found the unit I decided on and told my local guys what to order. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Mike, do you have a good source/price for the red dot condenser? Thanks Dan 88pt38 Jackson, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC 134A likes more condenser, you can't have too much. I used the old hoses, new blower motors and had to change the expansion valve, stuff got in it. Flush every thing you want to reuse and do up a new EV. It will all be good. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Thanks for your experiences and advice here! That really helps. I'm going to try my luck with the existing hoses. I'll take it to a local shop and see if they hold a vacuum and have them cleaned out. If that looks good, i'll put on a new compressor and probably condensor, and (hopefully) go happily down the road as cool as I want to be. I did look into alternatives. There are aftermarket units that are made for trucks and tractors that I could have used. They were self-contained and the compressors would run off of 120v. After talking to one of these manufactures (http://www.danhard.com) I decided against it just because of capacity. The chassis one should put out around 36,000btu. While even the largest 120v one would be 15,000 btu. Thanks again, Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 3/9/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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03-14-2007, 12:33
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Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
I paid around $800 plus shipping for a 6260 a couple years ago, so that may be
alright. Might pay to make sure you are dealing with a volume dealer. The AC works real well with that big unit on the roof. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Does $932.08 sound about right for an R4500 condenser? Dan Jxn, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC When I need a part, I go to the mfr. site, do a distributor search and go from there. A few calls to various suppliers will reveal who has inventory and who only orders when needed. The larger stocking dealers will usually give up the good price as they like to turn over inventory. Any thing you need is as close as the UPS truck. My local distributor is nice to deal with, but I have to stay on top of them on pricing as they are greedy and it takes them too long to get parts they don't stock. Red dot has a good site, in fact I found the unit I decided on and told my local guys what to order. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Mike, do you have a good source/price for the red dot condenser? Thanks Dan 88pt38 Jackson, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC 134A likes more condenser, you can't have too much. I used the old hoses, new blower motors and had to change the expansion valve, stuff got in it. Flush every thing you want to reuse and do up a new EV. It will all be good. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Thanks for your experiences and advice here! That really helps. I'm going to try my luck with the existing hoses. I'll take it to a local shop and see if they hold a vacuum and have them cleaned out. If that looks good, i'll put on a new compressor and probably condensor, and (hopefully) go happily down the road as cool as I want to be. I did look into alternatives. There are aftermarket units that are made for trucks and tractors that I could have used. They were self-contained and the compressors would run off of 120v. After talking to one of these manufactures (http://www.danhard.com) I decided against it just because of capacity. The chassis one should put out around 36,000btu. While even the largest 120v one would be 15,000 btu. Thanks again, Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 3/9/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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03-14-2007, 16:49
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Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
Thanks for the information, Mike. My dash AC is 18000btu and the 6260 is
38000btu and the 4500 is 45000btu. Why did you choose the 6260 over the 4500, I wonder. Dan Jxn, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC I paid around $800 plus shipping for a 6260 a couple years ago, so that may be alright. Might pay to make sure you are dealing with a volume dealer. The AC works real well with that big unit on the roof. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Does $932.08 sound about right for an R4500 condenser? Dan Jxn, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC When I need a part, I go to the mfr. site, do a distributor search and go from there. A few calls to various suppliers will reveal who has inventory and who only orders when needed. The larger stocking dealers will usually give up the good price as they like to turn over inventory. Any thing you need is as close as the UPS truck. My local distributor is nice to deal with, but I have to stay on top of them on pricing as they are greedy and it takes them too long to get parts they don't stock. Red dot has a good site, in fact I found the unit I decided on and told my local guys what to order. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Mike, do you have a good source/price for the red dot condenser? Thanks Dan 88pt38 Jackson, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC 134A likes more condenser, you can't have too much. I used the old hoses, new blower motors and had to change the expansion valve, stuff got in it. Flush every thing you want to reuse and do up a new EV. It will all be good. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Thanks for your experiences and advice here! That really helps. I'm going to try my luck with the existing hoses. I'll take it to a local shop and see if they hold a vacuum and have them cleaned out. If that looks good, i'll put on a new compressor and probably condensor, and (hopefully) go happily down the road as cool as I want to be. I did look into alternatives. There are aftermarket units that are made for trucks and tractors that I could have used. They were self-contained and the compressors would run off of 120v. After talking to one of these manufactures (http://www.danhard.com) I decided against it just because of capacity. The chassis one should put out around 36,000btu. While even the largest 120v one would be 15,000 btu. Thanks again, Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 3/9/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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03-14-2007, 17:26
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Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
Better air flow thru at speed and it's twice as big as the original unit. Flush
the system well, make sure no stuff is in the lines, nooks and crannies. New expansion valve is a great idea. I got to charge my system twice because I over looked the valve first time. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Thanks for the information, Mike. My dash AC is 18000btu and the 6260 is 38000btu and the 4500 is 45000btu. Why did you choose the 6260 over the 4500, I wonder. Dan Jxn, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC I paid around $800 plus shipping for a 6260 a couple years ago, so that may be alright. Might pay to make sure you are dealing with a volume dealer. The AC works real well with that big unit on the roof. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Does $932.08 sound about right for an R4500 condenser? Dan Jxn, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC When I need a part, I go to the mfr. site, do a distributor search and go from there. A few calls to various suppliers will reveal who has inventory and who only orders when needed. The larger stocking dealers will usually give up the good price as they like to turn over inventory. Any thing you need is as close as the UPS truck. My local distributor is nice to deal with, but I have to stay on top of them on pricing as they are greedy and it takes them too long to get parts they don't stock. Red dot has a good site, in fact I found the unit I decided on and told my local guys what to order. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Mike, do you have a good source/price for the red dot condenser? Thanks Dan 88pt38 Jackson, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hohnstein To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC 134A likes more condenser, you can't have too much. I used the old hoses, new blower motors and had to change the expansion valve, stuff got in it. Flush every thing you want to reuse and do up a new EV. It will all be good. MH ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC Thanks for your experiences and advice here! That really helps. I'm going to try my luck with the existing hoses. I'll take it to a local shop and see if they hold a vacuum and have them cleaned out. If that looks good, i'll put on a new compressor and probably condensor, and (hopefully) go happily down the road as cool as I want to be. I did look into alternatives. There are aftermarket units that are made for trucks and tractors that I could have used. They were self-contained and the compressors would run off of 120v. After talking to one of these manufactures (http://www.danhard.com) I decided against it just because of capacity. The chassis one should put out around 36,000btu. While even the largest 120v one would be 15,000 btu. Thanks again, Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/716 - Release Date: 3/9/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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03-15-2007, 14:05
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Dash / chassis air conditioner on FC
I found the 6260 here in Dallas for $670. TT A/C 866.884.8822. (Mike
there was very helpful.) It is my understanding that when you switch to r134a your weak link in terms of capacity becomes the condensor. r134a needs more condensor than r12. By increasing the condensor, you greatly increase cooling capacity. After that, (again, my understanding after talking to multiple people), your evaporator would become the next constraint in the conversion. I'm hoping it isn't that big of a constraint as I'm not planning on replacing mine at this point. I don't think you would ever get 45,000 btu out of your dash air. I think I'll get somewhere in the 30K range with a new condensor and r134a. ...So the 6260 should be large enough to keep up with the compressor and evaporator. |
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