4-ways and their use

[erniecarpet@...]

I believe that if you are going 45 mph or less, Your hazzards should be on.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt




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[Peter T. Arnold]

( I turn off the hazards after about 5
>cars are trailing because I dont want to further piss off the first
>in line)
>When you enter or drive a 55 plus speed roadway, always show your
>hazzzard lights if your speed is >10mph under the posted speedlimit.
>
>Using hazzard lights to enter a freeway helps open traffic up
>better , a left turn signal often alerts traffic that a bus is trying
>to get infront of them. they seem to move over for a hazzard and you
>want to maintain acceleration upto speed and not have to hold off for
>a unkind driver that will not yield.
>

Sorry to disagree.
Unless posted, it is against the law to used hazard lights (4-way
Flashers) in a moving vehicle. Period! dot! Check your state laws,
that is the way it is in my state for very good reasons.

Reason: When you are using them, you have no turn signals! Think
about it for a while.

Driving rain, Horrid Snow, Bad fog, soft tire are all problems, they
do not justify putting the rest of the community to risk by turning
off your turn signals so the rest of us have no clue as to what your
intentions are.

Lotsa folks do it, a major peeve of mine. They have a false sense of
security. I'M SAFE, MY 4 WAYS ARE ON.

Jumps off soapbox.


--

Pete Arnold

Your mileage may vary.
Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
Early withdrawal may result in interest penalty.
Do not pass Go, do not collect $200,
Offer invalid where prohibited by law.

[Leroy Eckert]

I'm safe, my four ways are on. It is against the law! Period! dot! I am
confused here! It is not the first time. lol
Name and town, name and town please.

Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville,FL
I have been doing what O'Conner does. I reckon I am breaking the law along with
a line of truckers. But it is working.





----- Original Message -----
From: Peter T. Arnold
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 4-ways and their use


( I turn off the hazards after about 5
>cars are trailing because I dont want to further piss off the first
>in line)
>When you enter or drive a 55 plus speed roadway, always show your
>hazzzard lights if your speed is >10mph under the posted speedlimit.
>
>Using hazzard lights to enter a freeway helps open traffic up
>better , a left turn signal often alerts traffic that a bus is trying
>to get infront of them. they seem to move over for a hazzard and you
>want to maintain acceleration upto speed and not have to hold off for
>a unkind driver that will not yield.
>

Sorry to disagree.
Unless posted, it is against the law to used hazard lights (4-way
Flashers) in a moving vehicle. Period! dot! Check your state laws,
that is the way it is in my state for very good reasons.

Reason: When you are using them, you have no turn signals! Think
about it for a while.

Driving rain, Horrid Snow, Bad fog, soft tire are all problems, they
do not justify putting the rest of the community to risk by turning
off your turn signals so the rest of us have no clue as to what your
intentions are.

Lotsa folks do it, a major peeve of mine. They have a false sense of
security. I'M SAFE, MY 4 WAYS ARE ON.

Jumps off soapbox.

--

Pete Arnold

Your mileage may vary.
Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
Early withdrawal may result in interest penalty.
Do not pass Go, do not collect $200,
Offer invalid where prohibited by law.




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[erniecarpet@...]

Peter, what coach do you have?

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt




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[Tom McCarthy]

I disagree with your disgreement and agree with Howard Johnson
(Blazing Saddles). I believe CA DMV requires use of flashers when
under 45 mph climbing hills where speed limit is higher.

Tom McCarthy
Poway CA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Peter T. Arnold wrote:
>
> ( I turn off the hazards after about 5
> >cars are trailing because I dont want to further piss off the
first
> >in line)
> >When you enter or drive a 55 plus speed roadway, always show your
> >hazzzard lights if your speed is >10mph under the posted
speedlimit.
> >
> >Using hazzard lights to enter a freeway helps open traffic up
> >better , a left turn signal often alerts traffic that a bus is
trying
> >to get infront of them. they seem to move over for a hazzard and
you
> >want to maintain acceleration upto speed and not have to hold off
for
> >a unkind driver that will not yield.
> >
>
> Sorry to disagree.
> Unless posted, it is against the law to used hazard lights (4-way
> Flashers) in a moving vehicle. Period! dot! Check your state laws,
> that is the way it is in my state for very good reasons.
>
> Reason: When you are using them, you have no turn signals! Think
> about it for a while.
>
> Driving rain, Horrid Snow, Bad fog, soft tire are all problems, they
> do not justify putting the rest of the community to risk by turning
> off your turn signals so the rest of us have no clue as to what your
> intentions are.
>
> Lotsa folks do it, a major peeve of mine. They have a false sense
of
> security. I'M SAFE, MY 4 WAYS ARE ON.
>
> Jumps off soapbox.
>
>
> --
>
> Pete Arnold
>
> Your mileage may vary.
> Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
> Early withdrawal may result in interest penalty.
> Do not pass Go, do not collect $200,
> Offer invalid where prohibited by law.
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Pete no reason to be sorry and a good point about the turn signals.
On the rigs which share a brake and turn signal, the 4 ways go out
when you apply the brakes. I like the Volvo ambers for that reason.
I agree that if there was too much use of 4 ways, it would be a
wolfcry thing. The fact that most drivers follow your law, my use of
4 ways attract attention. I think in California the law is you can
not enter a road way unless you can maintain within 10 mph of the
posted speed. The contents of the holster and ambiguity of laws
provide the CHP a means to make a stop when they feel the motorist is
a danger.

I think when a judge gets a motorist in court with one of the
ambigious tickets he can assume he is looking at an idiot. hope your
information was not experienced based.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
> Sorry to disagree.
> Unless posted, it is against the law to used hazard lights (4-way
> Flashers) in a moving vehicle. Period! dot! Check your state laws,
> that is the way it is in my state for very good reasons.
>
> Reason: When you are using them, you have no turn signals! Think
> about it for a while.
>
> Driving rain, Horrid Snow, Bad fog, soft tire are all problems, they
> do not justify putting the rest of the community to risk by turning
> off your turn signals so the rest of us have no clue as to what your
> intentions are.
>
> Lotsa folks do it, a major peeve of mine. They have a false sense
of
> security. I'M SAFE, MY 4 WAYS ARE ON.
>
> Jumps off soapbox.
>
>
> --
>
> Pete Arnold
>
> Your mileage may vary.
> Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
> Early withdrawal may result in interest penalty.
> Do not pass Go, do not collect $200,
> Offer invalid where prohibited by law.
>

[Peter T. Arnold]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:05:23 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm safe, my four ways are on. It is against the law! Period! dot! I am
confused here! It is not the first time. lol
>Name and town, name and town please.
>
>Leroy Eckert
>1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville,FL
Lots of "I Believes" here. Check the law in your state!

In my State {Connecticut} it is against the law to travel with 4-ways
on.

Think of the common sense, do you really want to be driving with
effectively no turn signals?

Using them to "Limp off" the highway, proceed thru a thunder storm of
rush to the hospital is not a reasonable excuse for someone to put
another's life in harms way.

I's sure that the members of the forum would not do the. It all
those other folks, right?

DO NOT believe me. Call you local State P.D. and ask them if it's
legal to drive with your 4-ways on. If they say yes, ask for the
officers name so you can use it if/when you get in trouble


--

Peter T. Arnold, Master Mason

"Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation
for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company."

Pres. George Washington
A Masonic Brother

[Pete Masterson]

You should be aware that in California, the law requires that you
must use a marked "turnout" if you are traveling significantly below
the speed limit and have 5 or more vehicles following you. (My father
wrote this law when he was in the state legislature.) Failure to
comply with this law can result in a similar fine as a speeding ticket.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Johnson City, TX



On Apr 22, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Peter T. Arnold wrote:

> ( I turn off the hazards after about 5
>> cars are trailing because I dont want to further piss off the first
>> in line) <snip>

[Leroy Eckert]

Ok. No problem. I agree that 4 ways (hazard lights)cancel turn signals.
However, I am still trying to figure out what " I'M SAFE, MY 4 WAYS ARE ON" in
the final line of your original response to O'Conners post means. Just before
jumping off the soap box.
Are they on or off? I just read it one more time just in case. What did I miss?
lol

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
CPA- California 1975-#21833, Cal Poly Pomona, Certified Public Accountant,
Couldn't pass Accounting, Constant Pain in the Ass, Cutting Pasting and
Attaching, Cleaning Pressing and Alterations, and Master Mason. Associated
with the National Training Center for The Stone and Masonry Trades, Ashville, NC






----- Original Message -----
From: Peter T. Arnold
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 4-ways and their use


On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 14:05:23 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm safe, my four ways are on. It is against the law! Period! dot! I am
confused here! It is not the first time. lol
>Name and town, name and town please.
>
>Leroy Eckert
>1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville,FL
Lots of "I Believes" here. Check the law in your state!

In my State {Connecticut} it is against the law to travel with 4-ways
on.

Think of the common sense, do you really want to be driving with
effectively no turn signals?

Using them to "Limp off" the highway, proceed thru a thunder storm of
rush to the hospital is not a reasonable excuse for someone to put
another's life in harms way.

I's sure that the members of the forum would not do the. It all
those other folks, right?

DO NOT believe me. Call you local State P.D. and ask them if it's
legal to drive with your 4-ways on. If they say yes, ask for the
officers name so you can use it if/when you get in trouble

--

Peter T. Arnold, Master Mason

"Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation
for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company."

Pres. George Washington
A Masonic Brother




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[Gregory OConnor]

Pete, thanks for the info. Most mountain grades have posted turns
that further reduce the speed with a suggestion 25, 30,35mph .
second gear and at 1800R's travel is a comfortable heatfree 35 mph.
The same roads that have long stretches of straight incline, usuly
have a passing lane for that section. The big fear with not allowing
following traffic to pass is when one of the following cars try and
pass in the oncomming lane.

I asked a trucker today if he recalls the 5 car law your dad wrote.
He said he understood it to state: 'If five or more cars are
following and one or more of the five or more is a CHP officer, you
must hit the turn out.'

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> You should be aware that in California, the law requires that you
> must use a marked "turnout" if you are traveling significantly
below
> the speed limit and have 5 or more vehicles following you. (My
father
> wrote this law when he was in the state legislature.) Failure to
> comply with this law can result in a similar fine as a speeding
ticket.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> aeonix1@...
> On the road at Johnson City, TX
>
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Peter T. Arnold wrote:
>
> > ( I turn off the hazards after about 5
> >> cars are trailing because I dont want to further piss off the
first
> >> in line) <snip>
>