Toads

[Leroy Eckert]

Are all Jeep models towable 4 down?
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL

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[Pete Masterson]

All except those that aren't...
Click on the link to the "Dinghy Guide" for various model years at
MotorHome magazine's web site or download this PDF for the 2007 models:
<http://www.motorhomemagazine.com/output.cfm?ID=952129>

Most 4WD vehicles can put the transfer case into neutral to allow
flat towing without trouble, although a few designs don't allow that.
You may need to check specific models with particular engine/
transmission combinations that might not be towable.

Often there are add-ons available from Remco Towing for popular
models that will allow a "non towable" to be made towable. If you're
buying new/used, it's better to select a towable vehicle rather than
invest extra money in accessories.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...



On Aug 26, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Leroy Eckert wrote:

> Are all Jeep models towable 4 down?
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL



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[Fred Hulse]

Leroy
I suggest reading the owners manual under recreational towing.
As a rule all 4WD jeeps are towable 4 down with exception of some full time
transfer cases that do not have the ability to shift to neutral position.
Of course all standard transmissions are towable 4 down.
If there is any question at all check with Remco towing or FMCA.
Fred & Jeanne Hulse
Morristown Arizona
1997 Wanderlodge WLWB41

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[Jack & Donna Smith]

Hey, Leroy... Check the manuals.. But I can tell you that the CJ7s
with the Dana 300 T-case are NOT towable 4 down. BUT, on my CJ7, I
replaced the AMC 20 rear axel shafts with the Warn Full floating
axels. These have lockout hubs, So I merrely roll along with all 4
wheels freewheelin, and the A.T tranny firmly in Park, with the key in
my pocket. I have disabled the steering wheel lock, so I can't forget
that little item!
I understand the NP241 T-Case, (on Wranglers)can be towed in N. ok,
but have never had one..
Jack Smith
1973FC31
SoCal.


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> Are all Jeep models towable 4 down?
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Scott Forman]

How could any 4wd not be towable with t-case in neutral?

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Memphis
Shopping for CJ7's to tow

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
wrote:
>
> Hey, Leroy... Check the manuals.. But I can tell you that the CJ7s
> with the Dana 300 T-case are NOT towable 4 down. BUT, on my CJ7, I
> replaced the AMC 20 rear axel shafts with the Warn Full floating
> axels. These have lockout hubs, So I merrely roll along with all 4
> wheels freewheelin, and the A.T tranny firmly in Park, with the key
in
> my pocket. I have disabled the steering wheel lock, so I can't
forget
> that little item!
> I understand the NP241 T-Case, (on Wranglers)can be towed in N. ok,
> but have never had one..
> Jack Smith
> 1973FC31
> SoCal.
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> wrote:
> >
> > Are all Jeep models towable 4 down?
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Howard O. Truitt]

Leroy,
Check with Jay Darst he is a Jeep dealer.
Howard T.,


----- Original Message -----
From: Jack & Donna Smith
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 10:21 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Toads


Hey, Leroy... Check the manuals.. But I can tell you that the CJ7s
with the Dana 300 T-case are NOT towable 4 down. BUT, on my CJ7, I
replaced the AMC 20 rear axel shafts with the Warn Full floating
axels. These have lockout hubs, So I merrely roll along with all 4
wheels freewheelin, and the A.T tranny firmly in Park, with the key in
my pocket. I have disabled the steering wheel lock, so I can't forget
that little item!
I understand the NP241 T-Case, (on Wranglers)can be towed in N. ok,
but have never had one..
Jack Smith
1973FC31
SoCal.

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> Are all Jeep models towable 4 down?
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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[Jack & Donna Smith]

Scott: Those jeeps & Scouts with the Dana 300 transfer case will not
lube properly when towed in neutral.
Some extend the fill pipe, and run the T-case "Full to the Brim" with
lube. Others say to stop every 100 miles, or so, fire up the CJs
engine and let it idle for 2 minuits.. I dont like either..
I have the TeraLo 4 to 1 gears in mine, and was told not to tow it
even 5 miles..
Best would be to tow it on a trailer with all 4 wheels off the ground.
However this can be very dangerous.. You can use the trailer to
bring so many "Treasures" (JUNK) home that Wifey would probably make
you sleep out on the trailer :-)
Jack Smith
1973FC31
SoCal

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@...>
wrote:
>
> How could any 4wd not be towable with t-case in neutral?
>
> Scott Forman
> 86 PT38
> Memphis
> Shopping for CJ7's to tow
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, Leroy... Check the manuals.. But I can tell you that the CJ7s
> > with the Dana 300 T-case are NOT towable 4 down. BUT, on my CJ7, I
> > replaced the AMC 20 rear axel shafts with the Warn Full floating
> > axels. These have lockout hubs, So I merrely roll along with all 4
> > wheels freewheelin, and the A.T tranny firmly in Park, with the key
> in
> > my pocket. I have disabled the steering wheel lock, so I can't
> forget
> > that little item!
> > I understand the NP241 T-Case, (on Wranglers)can be towed in N. ok,
> > but have never had one..
> > Jack Smith
> > 1973FC31
> > SoCal.
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Are all Jeep models towable 4 down?
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

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[Leroy Eckert]

Thanks to all that replied. I'm giving some thought to selling the trailer and
going to a toad.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
Royale Conversion
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Masterson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Toads


All except those that aren't...
Click on the link to the "Dinghy Guide" for various model years at
MotorHome magazine's web site or download this PDF for the 2007 models:
<http://www.motorhomemagazine.com/output.cfm?ID=952129>

Most 4WD vehicles can put the transfer case into neutral to allow
flat towing without trouble, although a few designs don't allow that.
You may need to check specific models with particular engine/
transmission combinations that might not be towable.

Often there are add-ons available from Remco Towing for popular
models that will allow a "non towable" to be made towable. If you're
buying new/used, it's better to select a towable vehicle rather than
invest extra money in accessories.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...

On Aug 26, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Leroy Eckert wrote:

> Are all Jeep models towable 4 down?
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL

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[Pete Masterson]

Leroy,

All I can say, having a 4-down toad is the best thing I did.
Originally, I was considering a dolly, but the RV lists I participate
in were pretty uniformly suggesting I arrange to tow 4-down.

When evaluating my choices: (1) use one of the cars we already own
(neither able to be towed without modification), or (2) purchase a
new or used vehicle that can be towed.

Ultimately, I settled on using one of our existing cars. I guess it's
better the devil you know rather than the devil you don't know. I was
fully aware of the condition and level of maintenance of our existing
cars -- and purchasing a used car would have that as an unknown. For
budgetary reasons, I didn't want to purchase a brand new car to tow.
(Hey, I'm not happy with all the crud that towing seems to deposit on
a car-- and a new car would exacerbate that emotion.)

Originally, I would have selected the smaller/lighter '03 Toyota Echo
that my wife usually drives. However, there was no adaptors available
for it to make it towable 4-down. Therefore, I used the '93 Toyota
Camry I usually drive. Frankly, it's more comfortable for the
'touring' driving we do when the bus is parked. While it's about 1000
lbs. heavier than the Echo, in use it's not been any trouble and the
weight doesn't seem to be much of a factor.

After having towed my car for about 10,000 miles, I can observe:

1. it's really handy to be able to disconnect quickly in difficult
circumstances. More than once we've found ourselves in situations
where I _had_ to back up to complete a turn in very tight maneuvering
situations. Being able to drop the toad has been invaluable. Not
having to deal with a dolly (or trailer) in those cases is a major
plus. While it's impossible to back up with a toad (for more than a
couple of feet), you can back up with a trailer -- but the situations
where I've been forced to back up would likely have been very
difficult with a trailer/dolly that probably would have gone the
wrong way in reverse.

2. the toad handles very well. Most of the time I'm not even aware
it's there (except for the rear view camera). There is no storage
problem. In one RV park, the size of the space did not allow the toad
to remain in our assigned spot. But parking the toad in the 'overflow
parking area' was quite simple. Trying to move a trailer or dolly
under similar circumstances would have been a royal pain.

3. My car, a '93 Toyota Camry with automatic transmission, is not
able to be flat towed without addition of a transmission lube pump.
The Remco unit seems quite effective and has not presented me with
any problems. In addition, I've installed an SMI supplemental braking
system. I found that the supplemental brakes can (should) be adjusted
to only activate on very "heavy" stops (when it would make a
difference in stopping distance). For normal stops, I have the
sensitivity switch dialed down to keep it from activating. The bus
doesn't seem to notice, and it's much easier on the car brakes. (At
first, I had the sensitivity adjustment a bit high ... and the car
smelled of 'burning brakes' after a trip.)

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...



On Aug 27, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Leroy Eckert wrote:

> Thanks to all that replied. I'm giving some thought to selling the
> trailer and going to a toad.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
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