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08-26-2008, 16:19
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Speakking of Steering Boxes . . .
Teal Bird comes through with the best statement I have heard in a
long time. Way to go Rob. Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy 95 PT42 Poway CA --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson" > > First off I believe an OEM steering system should work properly. In other > words, first make sure you steering system is in good shape and properly > adjusted. A SUPPLEMENTAL steering assist system should only be considered as > a last resort. They are a bandaide approach. Having said that, if your > system is in good shape and properly adjust and yet you feel it is deficient > then your only recourse is one of these aftermarket add-ons. The hype and BS > about blow-out protection should be ignored. See the Michelin video on that. > Finally consider this....some of these aftermarket systems put added strain > (springs, hydraulics) on your steering system. Added strain cannot be good. > (I removed previous owner's bent, leaking Blue Ox steer somethingorother) > > > > 2008/8/26 Pete Masterson > > > When I had my bent, broken, and jammed Blue Ox replaced, it looked > > like a toy compared to the SuperSteer. I wouldn't get a Blue Ox True > > Center. Talk to Henderson's Line-up in Grants Pass OR. They're the > > manufacturer of the SuperSteer. They do excellent work (except for > > rewelding broken shock absorber mounts, but that's another story). > > > > Pete Masterson > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > > aeonix1@... > > On the road at Idaho Springs, CO > > > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote: > > > > > Leroy, > > > > > > I like the looks of the Blue Ox. > > > Does the push button activation for centering work well? > > > Have you used any other steering controls? If so how do they stack up > > > against the Blue Ox? > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson > 94 WLWB > |
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08-27-2008, 00:03
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Speakking of Steering Boxes . . .
I dont know that it is, maybe he was speaking for the Gorgan again.
most upgrades on suspension are to update the steering and ride to that of the ever advancing science of steering and suspension. I just agree that the 'one size fits all' or even 'one size fits many' add-on products can not consider all the newances that differ with each coach.--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy" > > Teal Bird comes through with the best statement I have heard in a > long time. Way to go Rob. > > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy > 95 PT42 > Poway CA > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson" > > > > > First off I believe an OEM steering system should work properly. In > other > > words, first make sure you steering system is in good shape and > properly > > adjusted. A SUPPLEMENTAL steering assist system should only be > considered as > > a last resort. They are a bandaide approach. Having said that, if > your > > system is in good shape and properly adjust and yet you feel it is > deficient > > then your only recourse is one of these aftermarket add-ons. The > hype and BS > > about blow-out protection should be ignored. See the Michelin video > on that. > > Finally consider this....some of these aftermarket systems put > added strain > > (springs, hydraulics) on your steering system. Added strain cannot > be good. > > (I removed previous owner's bent, leaking Blue Ox steer > somethingorother) > > > > > > > > 2008/8/26 Pete Masterson > > > > > When I had my bent, broken, and jammed Blue Ox replaced, it > looked > > > like a toy compared to the SuperSteer. I wouldn't get a Blue Ox > True > > > Center. Talk to Henderson's Line-up in Grants Pass OR. They're the > > > manufacturer of the SuperSteer. They do excellent work (except for > > > rewelding broken shock absorber mounts, but that's another story). > > > > > > Pete Masterson > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > > > aeonix1@ > > > On the road at Idaho Springs, CO > > > > > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote: > > > > > > > Leroy, > > > > > > > > I like the looks of the Blue Ox. > > > > Does the push button activation for centering work well? > > > > Have you used any other steering controls? If so how do they > stack up > > > > against the Blue Ox? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson > > 94 WLWB > > > |
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08-27-2008, 00:18
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Speakking of Steering Boxes . . .
The 95 coaches do use different oils according to engine type.
The 8V92 uses an in-line fitter in addition to the 3 reservoir filters Parker Canister filter-(about 18" long in line street side), ( according to BB somewhere between the radiator and the tag axle). Part #'s Parker 925835 Donaldson P170073 BB 2122026 Reservoir filters All models, ( 8V92 & Series 60), use the same reservoir filters. The reservoir takes 3 filters. Part #'s Wix 57317 Nelson 83284D Donaldson P550698 BB 2137065 The 8V92 uses 10W30, synthetic oils are ok to use. The Series 60 uses HD32. Synthetics are OK to use. BB cross referenced the recommended Dino. oil with CASTROL VS977 Synthetic. I can't find it online. Waiting for return call from tech service. After lots of surfing today I have found out that HD32 is a Texaco product, Rando HD 32. As of July 2008 Chevron has the Texaco label and will continue to mfg. The Rando line of fluids. I also learned that any oil that is equivalent to ISO 32 should work in the system. Some of these oils have a , AW or O&R rating. Anti - Wear and Oxidation and Rust. Some have a combination of prefixes. There are also biodegradable oils for Forestry and Marine applications. I would recommend staying away from these because they generally have a shorter service life. It your call. I will most likely stay with the Rando HD 32 or it's synthetic version I know all oils are not created equal. The mineral based oils run anywhere from $30 to $60 for 5 gallons and the synthetics are $120 and up, some way up. The blends fall in the middle. The capacity is 16 Quarts for the series 60 and 18 quarts for the 8V92, Jessie recommended buying 5 Gallons just to make sure you have enough to refill the system. In my opinion I would think capacity would be determined by how well you can drain the system of old fluid. So I don't think these numbers are written in stone in this senario. To drain the system BB has a vacuum system that evacuates the reservoir. They do not recommend disconnecting any of the hydraulic lines in fear of creating a leak or breaking any connections, especially the elbow under the reservoir tank, I can understand that, the line and elbow are quite a bit heavier construction than the tank, and BB has encountered breakage at that particular point according to tech services. Double oil and filter change This technique involves an initial oil drain and filter change, The system is then filled to the minimum level required and the fluid circulated until operating temperature is reached and the fluid has been turned over at least five times. The oil is drained and the filters changed a second time. To maximize the effectiveness of this technique, the system should be drained as thoroughly as possible and the reservoir mechanically cleaned. Kurt Horvath 95 PT-42 WLWB S-60 10AC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor" > > I dont know that it is, maybe he was speaking for the Gorgan again. > most upgrades on suspension are to update the steering and ride to > that of the ever advancing science of steering and suspension. I > just agree that the 'one size fits all' or even 'one size fits many' > add-on products can not consider all the newances that differ with > each coach.--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy" > > > > > Teal Bird comes through with the best statement I have heard in a > > long time. Way to go Rob. > > > > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy > > 95 PT42 > > Poway CA > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson" > > > > > > > > First off I believe an OEM steering system should work properly. > In > > other > > > words, first make sure you steering system is in good shape and > > properly > > > adjusted. A SUPPLEMENTAL steering assist system should only be > > considered as > > > a last resort. They are a bandaide approach. Having said that, > if > > your > > > system is in good shape and properly adjust and yet you feel it > is > > deficient > > > then your only recourse is one of these aftermarket add-ons. The > > hype and BS > > > about blow-out protection should be ignored. See the Michelin > video > > on that. > > > Finally consider this....some of these aftermarket systems put > > added strain > > > (springs, hydraulics) on your steering system. Added strain > cannot > > be good. > > > (I removed previous owner's bent, leaking Blue Ox steer > > somethingorother) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/8/26 Pete Masterson > > > > > > > When I had my bent, broken, and jammed Blue Ox replaced, it > > looked > > > > like a toy compared to the SuperSteer. I wouldn't get a Blue > Ox > > True > > > > Center. Talk to Henderson's Line-up in Grants Pass OR. They're > the > > > > manufacturer of the SuperSteer. They do excellent work (except > for > > > > rewelding broken shock absorber mounts, but that's another > story). > > > > > > > > Pete Masterson > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > > > > aeonix1@ > > > > On the road at Idaho Springs, CO > > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote: > > > > > > > > > Leroy, > > > > > > > > > > I like the looks of the Blue Ox. > > > > > Does the push button activation for centering work well? > > > > > Have you used any other steering controls? If so how do they > > stack up > > > > > against the Blue Ox? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson > > > 94 WLWB > > > > > > |
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08-27-2008, 07:17
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Speakking of Steering Boxes . . .
Here's another cross refrence to the hydraulic filters.
Baldwin PT8487 I found these filters for $11.15 ea.for an order over 6 pcs., If you plan on a Double Filter & Oil Change these filters are cheep enough not to hurt the wallet. 1/3 the price from the guys I had ordered them from, thankfully they had not shipped my order, so I didn't get stuck with $30 a pc. filters. the web site for these filters is pasted below. http://www.adiesel.com/baldwinfilters/PT8487.html I live in the boonies so I had to order the Chevron/Texaco HD32. 2-5 gallon buckets $106.86, 9 filters $112.15, 2 hours labor @ $102.00 per hr.@ Prevost in Nashville, if I'm lucky. Not too harsh to clean out the hydraulic system and reload with fresh oil & filters. Kurt Horvath 95 PT-42 WLWB S-60 10AC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath" > > The 95 coaches do use different oils according to engine type. > > The 8V92 uses an in-line fitter in addition to the 3 reservoir filters > > Parker Canister filter-(about 18" long in line street side), ( > according to BB somewhere between the radiator and the tag axle). > Part #'s > Parker 925835 > Donaldson P170073 > BB 2122026 > > Reservoir filters All models, ( 8V92 & Series 60), use the same > reservoir filters. > > The reservoir takes 3 filters. > > Part #'s > Wix 57317 > Nelson 83284D > Donaldson P550698 > BB 2137065 > > The 8V92 uses 10W30, synthetic oils are ok to use. > > The Series 60 uses HD32. Synthetics are OK to use. BB cross > referenced the recommended Dino. oil with CASTROL VS977 Synthetic. I > can't find it online. Waiting for return call from tech service. > > After lots of surfing today I have found out that HD32 is a Texaco > product, Rando HD 32. As of July 2008 Chevron has the Texaco label > and will continue to mfg. The Rando line of fluids. > > I also learned that any oil that is equivalent to ISO 32 should work > in the system. Some of these oils have a , AW or O&R rating. Anti - > Wear and Oxidation and Rust. Some have a combination of prefixes. > There are also biodegradable oils for Forestry and Marine > applications. I would recommend staying away from these because they > generally have a shorter service life. It your call. I will most > likely stay with the Rando HD 32 or it's synthetic version > > I know all oils are not created equal. The mineral based oils run > anywhere from $30 to $60 for 5 gallons and the synthetics are $120 > and up, some way up. The blends fall in the middle. > > The capacity is 16 Quarts for the series 60 and 18 quarts for the > 8V92, Jessie recommended buying 5 Gallons just to make sure you have > enough to refill the system. > > In my opinion I would think capacity would be determined by how well > you can drain the system of old fluid. So I don't think these numbers > are written in stone in this senario. > > To drain the system BB has a vacuum system that evacuates the > reservoir. They do not recommend disconnecting any of the hydraulic > lines in fear of creating a leak or breaking any connections, > especially the elbow under the reservoir tank, I can understand that, > the line and elbow are quite a bit heavier construction than the > tank, and BB has encountered breakage at that particular point > according to tech services. > > Double oil and filter change > This technique involves an initial oil drain and filter change, The > system is then filled to the minimum level required and the fluid > circulated until operating temperature is reached and the fluid has > been turned over at least five times. The oil is drained and the > filters changed a second time. To maximize the effectiveness of this > technique, the system should be drained as thoroughly as possible and > the reservoir mechanically cleaned. > > > Kurt Horvath > 95 PT-42 WLWB S-60 > 10AC > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor" > > > > > I dont know that it is, maybe he was speaking for the Gorgan again. > > most upgrades on suspension are to update the steering and ride to > > that of the ever advancing science of steering and suspension. I > > just agree that the 'one size fits all' or even 'one size fits > many' > > add-on products can not consider all the newances that differ with > > each coach.--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy" > > > > > > > > Teal Bird comes through with the best statement I have heard in a > > > long time. Way to go Rob. > > > > > > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy > > > 95 PT42 > > > Poway CA > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson" > > > > > > > > > > > First off I believe an OEM steering system should work > properly. > > In > > > other > > > > words, first make sure you steering system is in good shape and > > > properly > > > > adjusted. A SUPPLEMENTAL steering assist system should only be > > > considered as > > > > a last resort. They are a bandaide approach. Having said that, > > if > > > your > > > > system is in good shape and properly adjust and yet you feel it > > is > > > deficient > > > > then your only recourse is one of these aftermarket add-ons. > The > > > hype and BS > > > > about blow-out protection should be ignored. See the Michelin > > video > > > on that. > > > > Finally consider this....some of these aftermarket systems put > > > added strain > > > > (springs, hydraulics) on your steering system. Added strain > > cannot > > > be good. > > > > (I removed previous owner's bent, leaking Blue Ox steer > > > somethingorother) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/8/26 Pete Masterson > > > > > > > > > When I had my bent, broken, and jammed Blue Ox replaced, it > > > looked > > > > > like a toy compared to the SuperSteer. I wouldn't get a Blue > > Ox > > > True > > > > > Center. Talk to Henderson's Line-up in Grants Pass OR. > They're > > the > > > > > manufacturer of the SuperSteer. They do excellent work > (except > > for > > > > > rewelding broken shock absorber mounts, but that's another > > story). > > > > > > > > > > Pete Masterson > > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > > > > > aeonix1@ > > > > > On the road at Idaho Springs, CO > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Leroy, > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the looks of the Blue Ox. > > > > > > Does the push button activation for centering work well? > > > > > > Have you used any other steering controls? If so how do > they > > > stack up > > > > > > against the Blue Ox? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson > > > > 94 WLWB > > > > > > > > > > |
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