Your Reply to Another One Gone

[Fred Bellows]

What would be the stated goal or use for such a list. It would be good to
formulate that definition soon, as that will be the first question they will ask
when we request cooperation from the various groups.

Fred Bellows
90SP

[Al Scudder]

whanderlodge.us ?? said that he would do the data base and take care of the list.

Al Scudder (734)637-0112 cell 734 453-1074 office

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: curtsprenger@...
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:34:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Your Reply to Another One Gone

Al,

Sounds great. Can you make that happen? The information can be sent to me. I'll set up and maintain the database, and share the information that give their permission.

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA
Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.
"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Al Scudder <"al_scudder@msn.com"> wrote:

Would it be possible that the President of each of these BB clubs be approached to see if they will put out a request to the their own members that thereis a Blue Bird Data Base being put together and that the members can send a email to a central place to make this list. They can then state IF they want thie name to bepublic or private. If the list is to track down as many BB's that are out there then I would think that you would have good participation.

Scooter 2000LX Ocqueoc< MI

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To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
From: "curtsprenger@gmail.com"
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:07:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Your Reply to Another One Gone

I'll throw this out for thought...

Are WE willing to put upfront dollars, TBD, for some one, or some of us, to work at gathering that information...that's using the latest information list(s) that are available (TBD)?

If I spent 150 hours, probable more, 4 states, and apply hi/low per state, seems like an hour estimate of time would be 1,000 to 1,200 hours, probable more hours, to call, write, etc., chase down, and create a database. Plus there are expenses to do just that. Then there are expenses because some owners only use Snail Mail, postage, and time to keep them informed. I work cheap, others will too, but not for free when it requires dedicated time that this effort requires and the expense to make it happen.

Please present your thoughts to make this work.

Phil & I can request the SWBB database participants grant open information sharing, but the response is TBD.

The FINAL database should respect each participants wishes to protect or share information.

Also, WE need to pay for the dedicated/shared space to store/maintain the information. Someone needs to be in charge for the space, costs, etc.

Site owners, others, please reply.

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA
Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.
"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Curt Sprenger <"curtsprenger@gmail.com"> wrote:

Ron,



USE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION. All information maintained in the Southwest Bluebirds and friends database, and/or on a specific rally list, is considered strictly confidential, and is for group use only. Only information regarding a member or rally participant's name, city/state, and RV unit will appear on group and/or rally materials. Personal information (i.e., addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.) will be shared with other group members and/or rally attendees only according to a member's specified preferences. If a member has not declared personal information sharing preferences, none will be divulged to other members unless written permission is given to the group coordinators to do so.

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA
Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.
"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM, ronmarabito2002 <"remarabito@att.net"> wrote:

Curt: You could be a nice guy and offer us that database. I know it takes a lot of time to acquire info like that. Today, that's the only kind of information available.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", Curt Sprenger ...> wrote:
>
> That is how Southwest Bluebirds and Friends got started. I used CA, UT, NV,
> AZ, placed calls, wrote letters, created the database, etc. Time spent...at
> least 150 hours.
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, CA
> *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at
> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.
> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *
>
>
>
>

> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:25 AM, ronmarabito2002 ..> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ernie: Since you have time on your hands, you could check with Family of
> > Friends and Vintage Birds to add that information to the list. Time
> > consuming, but that's what you have. (bg)
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >

> > --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"40yahoogroups.com>,

> > Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> > >
> > > George, the list I have from Bluebird lists owners by state and their
> > address. Unfortunately, no coach data is listed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > 83PT40
> > > Wanderlodge
> > > Weatherford, Tx
> > > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, George Burke wrote:
> > >
> > > From: George Burke
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Your Reply to Another One Gone

> > > To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:14 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie, in your reply concerning the above, you mentioned that about 5
> > years ago you obtained a print out from BB of bird owners that was about 2"
> > thick. Do you remember what other info., other than names that were posted?
> > If it showed the type of Bird, as 1977 FC31 Gas, etc., that would be great
> > information to know. Some day in the future, as some of you have, I would
> > like to upgrade to a newer and larger Wanderlodge, and that kind of info.,
> > such as how many of each type are out there would be a big help. It might
> > steer me one way or another, as, I might not look for a PT 36, if only a
> > very few were built/and still on the road. I do at present very much like
> > the PT36, and PT38, as well as the SP. And alas, if it was newer than 5yrs.
> > old, I can guarantee you that some else would have to buy it anyway.
> > Bluebird, the transit and school bus folks, are still making a front engine
> > body, as well as rear engine transit models. Sure would like to see someone
> > make
> > > a FC/PT type Wanderlodge again from these bodys. After all, most of us
> > aren't millionares, and after X amount of years, could afford to buy a used
> > one. As I remember, isn't this how Wanderlodge got its start? Regards,
> > George Burke 1977 FC31 SB GAS Charlotte
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Curt Sprenger]

Stated goal(s)...

1. Our interest in knowing the number of 'Birds still standing.
2. How many 'Birds are used regularly.
3. How many are not being used.
4. How many 'Birds are for sale.
5. Recruiting.

6. Getting in touch or staying in touch with 'Bird owners.


That's a start. Others, please add to the list.

Curt Sprenger

1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

Anaheim Hills, CA
Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.

"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Fred Bellows <"nytexcel@yahoo.com"> wrote:

What would be the stated goal or use for such a list. It would be good to formulate that definition soon, as that will be the first question they will ask when we request cooperation from the various groups.



Fred Bellows

90SP

[Paul Carver]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger wrote:
>
> Stated goal(s)...
>
> 1. Our interest in knowing the number of 'Birds still standing.
> 2. How many 'Birds are used regularly.
> 3. How many are not being used.
> 4. How many 'Birds are for sale.
> 5. Recruiting.
> 6. Getting in touch or staying in touch with 'Bird owners.
>
> That's a start. Others, please add to the list.
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, CA
> *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at
> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.
> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Fred Bellows wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > What would be the stated goal or use for such a list. It would be good to
> > formulate that definition soon, as that will be the first question they will
> > ask when we request cooperation from the various groups.
> >
> > Fred Bellows
> > 90SP
> >
> > Being late to chime in, I'd like to say we have no objection to "sharing our
information" with this or other 'Bird groups. As proud Bird Brains, we've
extended an offer to host any traveling fellow Bird owners to roost at our
location when we're landed at the home base. In addition to our Pterodactyl
bird in it's nest, we can accomodate two others with 50A. service and water on
concrete runways under our towering oak trees.
As for "stated goals" of a data list, we suspect the majority of other Bird
owners would feel likewise. Hence our suggestion of: 7.) physical location and
8.) potential accomodations for overnight travelers. We've enjoyed sharing
experiences with others from this flock and feel the common interest prevails in
making us a big family.

Paul & Jo Carver
'93 WLPT40Teri, in Seven Points, Tx.
> >
>

[Curt Sprenger]

Paul & Jo,

Good points. They will be included in the database.

Curt Sprenger

1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

Anaheim Hills, CA
Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.

"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Paul Carver <"jocarver@embarqmail.com"> wrote:

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Curt Sprenger wrote:

>

> Stated goal(s)...

>

> 1. Our interest in knowing the number of 'Birds still standing.

> 2. How many 'Birds are used regularly.

> 3. How many are not being used.

> 4. How many 'Birds are for sale.

> 5. Recruiting.

> 6. Getting in touch or staying in touch with 'Bird owners.

>

> That's a start. Others, please add to the list.

>

> Curt Sprenger

> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> Anaheim Hills, CA

> *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.

> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *

>

>

>

>

> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Fred Bellows wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > What would be the stated goal or use for such a list. It would be good to

> > formulate that definition soon, as that will be the first question they will

> > ask when we request cooperation from the various groups.

> >

> > Fred Bellows

> > 90SP

> >

> > Being late to chime in, I'd like to say we have no objection to "sharing our information" with this or other 'Bird groups. As proud Bird Brains, we've extended an offer to host any traveling fellow Bird owners to roost at our location when we're landed at the home base. In addition to our Pterodactyl bird in it's nest, we can accomodate two others with 50A. service and water on concrete runways under our towering oak trees.

As for "stated goals" of a data list, we suspect the majority of other Bird owners would feel likewise. Hence our suggestion of: 7.) physical location and 8.) potential accomodations for overnight travelers. We've enjoyed sharing experiences with others from this flock and feel the common interest prevails in making us a big family.



Paul & Jo Carver

'93 WLPT40Teri, in Seven Points, Tx.

> >

>

[ronmarabito2002]

Curt: Don't you think we need information on the coach year and model as well?

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger wrote:
>
> Information Sharing...Use *1* or* 2* or* 3* or *4*, or a combination.
>
> *1 *- Name Only. *
> 2* - Name & Email Address.*
> 3* - Name, Email Address & Phone Numbers. *
> 4* - Person maintaining the database receives request and forwards to
> database member.
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, CA
> Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at
> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.
> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Curt Sprenger wrote:
>
> > Al,
> >
> > Sounds great. Can you make that happen? The information can be sent to me.
> > I'll set up and maintain the database, and share the information that give
> > their permission.
> >
> > Curt Sprenger
> > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > Anaheim Hills, CA
> > *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at
> > http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.
> > "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Al Scudder wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Would it be possible that the President of each of these BB clubs be
> >> approached to see if they will put out a request to the their own members
> >> that there is a Blue Bird Data Base being put together and that the members
> >> can send a email to a central place to make this list. They can then state
> >> IF they want thie name to be public or private. If the list is to track
down
> >> as many BB's that are out there then I would think that you would have good
> >> participation.
> >>
> >> Scooter 2000LX Ocqueoc< MI
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> From: curtsprenger@...
> >> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:07:08 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Your Reply to Another One Gone
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll throw this out for thought...
> >>
> >> Are WE willing to put upfront dollars, TBD, for some one, or some of us,
> >> to work at gathering that information...that's using the latest information
> >> list(s) that are available (TBD)?
> >>
> >> If I spent 150 hours, probable more, 4 states, and apply hi/low per state,
> >> seems like an hour estimate of time would be 1,000 to 1,200 hours,
probable
> >> more hours, to call, write, etc., chase down, and create a database. Plus
> >> there are expenses to do just that. Then there are expenses because some
> >> owners only use Snail Mail, postage, and time to keep them informed. I work
> >> cheap, others will too, but not for free when it requires dedicated time
> >> that this effort requires and the expense to make it happen.
> >>
> >> Please present your thoughts to make this work.
> >>
> >> Phil & I can request the SWBB database participants grant open information
> >> sharing, but the response is TBD.
> >>
> >> The FINAL database should respect each participants wishes to protect or
> >> share information.
> >>
> >> Also, WE need to pay for the dedicated/shared space to store/maintain the
> >> information. Someone needs to be in charge for the space, costs, etc.
> >>
> >> Site owners, others, please reply.
> >>
> >> Curt Sprenger
> >> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> >> Anaheim Hills, CA
> >> Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at
> >> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG
<http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/>...Then Join us.
> >> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Curt Sprenger wrote:
> >>
> >> Ron,
> >>
> >>
> >> *USE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION.** A**ll information maintained in the
> >> Southwest Bluebirds and friends database, and/or on a specific rally list,
> >> is considered **strictly confidential**, and is for group use only. Only
> >> information regarding a member or rally participant's name, city/state, and
> >> RV unit will appear on group and/or rally materials. Personal information
> >> (i.e., addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.) will be shared with
> >> other group members and/or rally attendees only according to a member's
> >> specified preferences. If a member has not declared personal information
> >> sharing preferences, none will be divulged to other members unless written
> >> permission is given to the group coordinators to do so.*
> >>
> >> Curt Sprenger
> >> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> >> Anaheim Hills, CA
> >> *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at
> >> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG
<http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/>...Then Join us.
> >> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM, ronmarabito2002 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Curt: You could be a nice guy and offer us that database. I know it takes
> >> a lot of time to acquire info like that. Today, that's the only kind of
> >> information available.
> >>
> >>
> >> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >>
> >> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > That is how Southwest Bluebirds and Friends got started. I used CA, UT,
> >> NV,
> >> > AZ, placed calls, wrote letters, created the database, etc. Time
> >> spent...at
> >> > least 150 hours.
> >> >
> >> > Curt Sprenger
> >> > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> >> > Anaheim Hills, CA
> >> > *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at
> >> >
http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG<http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/>...Then
Join us.
> >> > "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:25 AM, ronmarabito2002
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Ernie: Since you have time on your hands, you could check with Family
> >> of
> >> > > Friends and Vintage Birds to add that information to the list. Time
> >> > > consuming, but that's what you have. (bg)
> >> > >
> >> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > >> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> >> > > Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > George, the list I have from Bluebird lists owners by state and
> >> their
> >> > > address. Unfortunately, no coach data is listed.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ernie Ekberg
> >> > > > 83PT40
> >> > > > Wanderlodge
> >> > > > Weatherford, Tx
> >> > > > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, George Burke wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > From: George Burke
> >> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Your Reply to Another One Gone
> >> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > >> 40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:14 PM
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ernie, in your reply concerning the above, you mentioned that about
> >> 5
> >> > > years ago you obtained a print out from BB of bird owners that was
> >> about 2"
> >> > > thick. Do you remember what other info., other than names that were
> >> posted?
> >> > > If it showed the type of Bird, as 1977 FC31 Gas, etc., that would be
> >> great
> >> > > information to know. Some day in the future, as some of you have, I
> >> would
> >> > > like to upgrade to a newer and larger Wanderlodge, and that kind of
> >> info.,
> >> > > such as how many of each type are out there would be a big help. It
> >> might
> >> > > steer me one way or another, as, I might not look for a PT 36, if only
> >> a
> >> > > very few were built/and still on the road. I do at present very much
> >> like
> >> > > the PT36, and PT38, as well as the SP. And alas, if it was newer than
> >> 5yrs.
> >> > > old, I can guarantee you that some else would have to buy it anyway.
> >> > > Bluebird, the transit and school bus folks, are still making a front
> >> engine
> >> > > body, as well as rear engine transit models. Sure would like to see
> >> someone
> >> > > make
> >> > > > a FC/PT type Wanderlodge again from these bodys. After all, most of
> >> us
> >> > > aren't millionares, and after X amount of years, could afford to buy a
> >> used
> >> > > one. As I remember, isn't this how Wanderlodge got its start? Regards,
> >> > > George Burke 1977 FC31 SB GAS Charlotte
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

[Curt Sprenger]

Ron,

Absolutely.

The information that I think we should have in an General BB Database:
DB Entry Date, the date the entry was entered into the General BB Database.
Information Sharing as I outlined.

Accommodations - mechanical and parking/AC/water.
Emergency driver(s).
Name(s).
Addresses.
City.
State.
Zip Code.
GPS Latitude & Longitude. 
Email Addresses.
Phone Numbers.
'Bird Year/Model/Length/Bird Name, etc.

FMCA Number.
FMCA Chapter(s) or other group/club

Maybe:
VIN Number.
Bluebird Chassis Number.
Chassis Build date.
???

Let me know what I left out. Thanks.

Curt Sprenger

1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

Anaheim Hills, CA
Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.

"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:40 PM, ronmarabito2002 <"remarabito@att.net"> wrote:

Curt: Don't you think we need information on the coach year and model as well?

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Curt Sprenger wrote:

>

> Information Sharing...Use *1* or* 2* or* 3* or *4*, or a combination.

>

> *1 *- Name Only. *

> 2* - Name & Email Address.*

> 3* - Name, Email Address & Phone Numbers. *

> 4* - Person maintaining the database receives request and forwards to

> database member.

>

> Curt Sprenger

> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> Anaheim Hills, CA

> Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.

> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

>

>

> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Curt Sprenger wrote:

>

> > Al,

> >

> > Sounds great. Can you make that happen? The information can be sent to me.

> > I'll set up and maintain the database, and share the information that give

> > their permission.

> >

> > Curt Sprenger

> > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> > Anaheim Hills, CA

> > *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> > http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.

> > "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Al Scudder wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Would it be possible that the President of each of these BB clubs be

> >> approached to see if they will put out a request to the their own members

> >> that there is a Blue Bird Data Base being put together and that the members

> >> can send a email to a central place to make this list. They can then state

> >> IF they want thie name to be public or private. If the list is to track down

> >> as many BB's that are out there then I would think that you would have good

> >> participation.

> >>

> >> Scooter 2000LX Ocqueoc< MI

> >>

> >> ------------------------------

> >> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> >> From: curtsprenger@...

> >> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:07:08 -0700

> >> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Your Reply to Another One Gone

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I'll throw this out for thought...

> >>

> >> Are WE willing to put upfront dollars, TBD, for some one, or some of us,

> >> to work at gathering that information...that's using the latest information

> >> list(s) that are available (TBD)?

> >>

> >> If I spent 150 hours, probable more, 4 states, and apply hi/low per state,

> >> seems like an hour estimate of time would be 1,000 to 1,200 hours, probable

> >> more hours, to call, write, etc., chase down, and create a database. Plus

> >> there are expenses to do just that. Then there are expenses because some

> >> owners only use Snail Mail, postage, and time to keep them informed. I work

> >> cheap, others will too, but not for free when it requires dedicated time

> >> that this effort requires and the expense to make it happen.

> >>

> >> Please present your thoughts to make this work.

> >>

> >> Phil & I can request the SWBB database participants grant open information

> >> sharing, but the response is TBD.

> >>

> >> The FINAL database should respect each participants wishes to protect or

> >> share information.

> >>

> >> Also, WE need to pay for the dedicated/shared space to store/maintain the

> >> information. Someone needs to be in charge for the space, costs, etc.

> >>

> >> Site owners, others, please reply.

> >>

> >> Curt Sprenger

> >> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> >> Anaheim Hills, CA

> >> Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> >> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG <http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/>...Then Join us.

> >> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

> >>

> >>

> >> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Curt Sprenger wrote:

> >>

> >> Ron,

> >>

> >>

> >> *USE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION.** A**ll information maintained in the

> >> Southwest Bluebirds and friends database, and/or on a specific rally list,

> >> is considered **strictly confidential**, and is for group use only. Only

> >> information regarding a member or rally participant's name, city/state, and

> >> RV unit will appear on group and/or rally materials. Personal information

> >> (i.e., addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.) will be shared with

> >> other group members and/or rally attendees only according to a member's

> >> specified preferences. If a member has not declared personal information

> >> sharing preferences, none will be divulged to other members unless written

> >> permission is given to the group coordinators to do so.*

> >>

> >> Curt Sprenger

> >> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> >> Anaheim Hills, CA

> >> *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> >> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG <http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/>...Then Join us.

> >> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM, ronmarabito2002 wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Curt: You could be a nice guy and offer us that database. I know it takes

> >> a lot of time to acquire info like that. Today, that's the only kind of

> >> information available.

> >>

> >>

> >> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

> >>

> >> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Curt Sprenger

> >> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > That is how Southwest Bluebirds and Friends got started. I used CA, UT,

> >> NV,

> >> > AZ, placed calls, wrote letters, created the database, etc. Time

> >> spent...at

> >> > least 150 hours.

> >> >

> >> > Curt Sprenger

> >> > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> >> > Anaheim Hills, CA

> >> > *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> >> > http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG<http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/>...Then Join us.

> >> > "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:25 AM, ronmarabito2002

> >> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > Ernie: Since you have time on your hands, you could check with Family

> >> of

> >> > > Friends and Vintage Birds to add that information to the list. Time

> >> > > consuming, but that's what you have. (bg)

> >> > >

> >> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

> >> > >

> >> > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
> >> 40yahoogroups.com>,

> >> > > Ernie Ekberg wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > George, the list I have from Bluebird lists owners by state and

> >> their

> >> > > address. Unfortunately, no coach data is listed.

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Ernie Ekberg

> >> > > > 83PT40

> >> > > > Wanderlodge

> >> > > > Weatherford, Tx

> >> > > > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair

> >> > > >

> >> > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, George Burke wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > From: George Burke

> >> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Your Reply to Another One Gone

> >> > > > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
> >> 40yahoogroups.com>

> >> > > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:14 PM

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Ernie, in your reply concerning the above, you mentioned that about

> >> 5

> >> > > years ago you obtained a print out from BB of bird owners that was

> >> about 2"

> >> > > thick. Do you remember what other info., other than names that were

> >> posted?

> >> > > If it showed the type of Bird, as 1977 FC31 Gas, etc., that would be

> >> great

> >> > > information to know. Some day in the future, as some of you have, I

> >> would

> >> > > like to upgrade to a newer and larger Wanderlodge, and that kind of

> >> info.,

> >> > > such as how many of each type are out there would be a big help. It

> >> might

> >> > > steer me one way or another, as, I might not look for a PT 36, if only

> >> a

> >> > > very few were built/and still on the road. I do at present very much

> >> like

> >> > > the PT36, and PT38, as well as the SP. And alas, if it was newer than

> >> 5yrs.

> >> > > old, I can guarantee you that some else would have to buy it anyway.

> >> > > Bluebird, the transit and school bus folks, are still making a front

> >> engine

> >> > > body, as well as rear engine transit models. Sure would like to see

> >> someone

> >> > > make

> >> > > > a FC/PT type Wanderlodge again from these bodys. After all, most of

> >> us

> >> > > aren't millionares, and after X amount of years, could afford to buy a

> >> used

> >> > > one. As I remember, isn't this how Wanderlodge got its start? Regards,

> >> > > George Burke 1977 FC31 SB GAS Charlotte

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[George Burke]

Curt, The mail goal that I had when I first contacted Ernie about getting the info. on the list that he obtained from BB 5 yrs. ago, was to try to asertain how many of each type of Wanderlodges are out there, alive and well today. Again, as many of you have, I hope to upgrade as money allows, and according to what is available, in the future. As I remember, you used to own a 70's Ford gasser that you sold to Jim Benson, who helped me out with carb. problems on my 77 FC31.  Personally, I hope that when the smoke clears, someone buys the Wanderlodge name, and starts building the FC's and PT's again. That would be something some of us and future generations could afford to buy. But if that never happens, I will be shopping as some of you have done, to satisfy my wants/needs. I do think that the less info that you ask for, the better participation that you will get. For instance, I have no idea what my GPS latitude/longitude is, I don't want to give my private phone number, or email address, to the world. I just want to know about the condition and availability of different types of these Great Birds. Thanks for people like you who are computer savvy, and care enough about these wonderful vehicles to do anything to keep them up, and help us challenged people keep them running. BTY, I do personally love PT38's, so I may be contacting you via postings or other means in the future. Thanks and Best Regards, George Burke 1977FC31 Gasser Charlotte

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Curt Sprenger <"curtsprenger@gmail.com"> wrote:

Ron,

Absolutely.

The information that I think we should have in an General BB Database:
DB Entry Date, the date the entry was entered into the General BB Database.
Information Sharing as I outlined.

Accommodations - mechanical and parking/AC/water.
Emergency driver(s).
Name(s).
Addresses.
City.
State.
Zip Code.
GPS Latitude & Longitude. 
Email Addresses.
Phone Numbers.
'Bird Year/Model/Length/Bird Name, etc.

FMCA Number.
FMCA Chapter(s) or other group/club

Maybe:
VIN Number.
Bluebird Chassis Number.
Chassis Build date.
???

Let me know what I left out. Thanks.

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA
Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.

"Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:40 PM, ronmarabito2002 <"remarabito@att.net"> wrote:

Curt: Don't you think we need information on the coach year and model as well?

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Curt Sprenger wrote:

>

> Information Sharing...Use *1* or* 2* or* 3* or *4*, or a combination.
>
> *1 *- Name Only. *
> 2* - Name & Email Address.*
> 3* - Name, Email Address & Phone Numbers. *
> 4* - Person maintaining the database receives request and forwards to

> database member.
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, CA
> Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at
> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.

> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"
>
>

> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Curt Sprenger wrote:

>
> > Al,
> >
> > Sounds great. Can you make that happen? The information can be sent to me.
> > I'll set up and maintain the database, and share the information that give

> > their permission.
> >
> > Curt Sprenger
> > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > Anaheim Hills, CA
> > *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> > http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG ...Then Join us.
> > "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *
> >
> >

> >
> >

> > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Al Scudder wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Would it be possible that the President of each of these BB clubs be

> >> approached to see if they will put out a request to the their own members
> >> that there is a Blue Bird Data Base being put together and that the members
> >> can send a email to a central place to make this list. They can then state

> >> IF they want thie name to be public or private. If the list is to track down
> >> as many BB's that are out there then I would think that you would have good
> >> participation.

> >>
> >> Scooter 2000LX Ocqueoc< MI
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> >> From: curtsprenger@...

> >> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:07:08 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Your Reply to Another One Gone
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll throw this out for thought...

> >>
> >> Are WE willing to put upfront dollars, TBD, for some one, or some of us,
> >> to work at gathering that information...that's using the latest information
> >> list(s) that are available (TBD)?

> >>
> >> If I spent 150 hours, probable more, 4 states, and apply hi/low per state,
> >> seems like an hour estimate of time would be 1,000 to 1,200 hours, probable
> >> more hours, to call, write, etc., chase down, and create a database. Plus

> >> there are expenses to do just that. Then there are expenses because some
> >> owners only use Snail Mail, postage, and time to keep them informed. I work
> >> cheap, others will too, but not for free when it requires dedicated time

> >> that this effort requires and the expense to make it happen.
> >>
> >> Please present your thoughts to make this work.
> >>
> >> Phil & I can request the SWBB database participants grant open information

> >> sharing, but the response is TBD.
> >>
> >> The FINAL database should respect each participants wishes to protect or
> >> share information.
> >>
> >> Also, WE need to pay for the dedicated/shared space to store/maintain the

> >> information. Someone needs to be in charge for the space, costs, etc.
> >>
> >> Site owners, others, please reply.
> >>
> >> Curt Sprenger
> >> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

> >> Anaheim Hills, CA
> >> Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> >> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG <http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/>...Then Join us.

> >> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally"
> >>
> >>

> >> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Curt Sprenger wrote:
> >>

> >> Ron,
> >>
> >>
> >> *USE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION.** A**ll information maintained in the

> >> Southwest Bluebirds and friends database, and/or on a specific rally list,
> >> is considered **strictly confidential**, and is for group use only. Only
> >> information regarding a member or rally participant's name, city/state, and

> >> RV unit will appear on group and/or rally materials. Personal information
> >> (i.e., addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.) will be shared with
> >> other group members and/or rally attendees only according to a member's

> >> specified preferences. If a member has not declared personal information
> >> sharing preferences, none will be divulged to other members unless written
> >> permission is given to the group coordinators to do so.*

> >>
> >> Curt Sprenger
> >> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> >> Anaheim Hills, CA
> >> *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> >> http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG <http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/>...Then Join us.

> >> "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:36 AM, ronmarabito2002 wrote:

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Curt: You could be a nice guy and offer us that database. I know it takes
> >> a lot of time to acquire info like that. Today, that's the only kind of

> >> information available.
> >>
> >>
> >> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >>
> >> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Curt Sprenger

> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > That is how Southwest Bluebirds and Friends got started. I used CA, UT,
> >> NV,
> >> > AZ, placed calls, wrote letters, created the database, etc. Time

> >> spent...at
> >> > least 150 hours.
> >> >
> >> > Curt Sprenger
> >> > 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> >> > Anaheim Hills, CA

> >> > *Read all about Southwest Bluebirds and Friends (SWBB) at

> >> > http://www.SOUTHWEST-BLUEBIRDS.ORG<http://www.southwest-bluebirds.org/>...Then Join us.

> >> > "Host of the Annual Bluebird Quartzsite Rally" *
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:25 AM, ronmarabito2002

> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Ernie: Since you have time on your hands, you could check with Family
> >> of
> >> > > Friends and Vintage Birds to add that information to the list. Time

> >> > > consuming, but that's what you have. (bg)
> >> > >
> >> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
> >> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> >> > > Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > George, the list I have from Bluebird lists owners by state and

> >> their
> >> > > address. Unfortunately, no coach data is listed.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ernie Ekberg
> >> > > > 83PT40

> >> > > > Wanderlodge
> >> > > > Weatherford, Tx
> >> > > > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair

> >> > > >
> >> > > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, George Burke wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > From: George Burke

> >> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Your Reply to Another One Gone
> >> > > > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
> >> 40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:14 PM
> >> > > >
> >> > > >

> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ernie, in your reply concerning the above, you mentioned that about

> >> 5
> >> > > years ago you obtained a print out from BB of bird owners that was
> >> about 2"
> >> > > thick. Do you remember what other info., other than names that were

> >> posted?
> >> > > If it showed the type of Bird, as 1977 FC31 Gas, etc., that would be
> >> great
> >> > > information to know. Some day in the future, as some of you have, I

> >> would
> >> > > like to upgrade to a newer and larger Wanderlodge, and that kind of
> >> info.,
> >> > > such as how many of each type are out there would be a big help. It

> >> might
> >> > > steer me one way or another, as, I might not look for a PT 36, if only
> >> a
> >> > > very few were built/and still on the road. I do at present very much

> >> like
> >> > > the PT36, and PT38, as well as the SP. And alas, if it was newer than
> >> 5yrs.
> >> > > old, I can guarantee you that some else would have to buy it anyway.

> >> > > Bluebird, the transit and school bus folks, are still making a front
> >> engine
> >> > > body, as well as rear engine transit models. Sure would like to see
> >> someone

> >> > > make
> >> > > > a FC/PT type Wanderlodge again from these bodys. After all, most of
> >> us
> >> > > aren't millionares, and after X amount of years, could afford to buy a

> >> used
> >> > > one. As I remember, isn't this how Wanderlodge got its start? Regards,
> >> > > George Burke 1977 FC31 SB GAS Charlotte
> >> > > >

> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

>