Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.

[Pete Masterson]

Now you see why Greg gets "banned."

I happen to think both groups have unique values all their own. That's why I participate in both of them. WOG also has a certain value, too ... but I never really got going with that one. (There's only so much time in the day...)

Ernie, you have a great discussion list and it is quite valuable. Don't let un-thinking comments get you down.

Pete Masterson

(former) '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Ernie Ekberg wrote:

" WOO will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted" What the hell- you think this forum is just chopped liver. ??? Not on my watch. I think we are doing a damn good job doing what we are doing. I'm not a very happy owner right now. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair --- OnWed, 10/28/09, gregory O<"greg@rainbowrv.com">wrote: From: gregory O <"greg@rainbowrv.com"> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. To:"WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:05 PM No it was a management list found surfing the site. I go to woo for info, I find the site informative. you don't have to be a member to find anything if you master boolean terms for query's you can search the woo site with google. Like you say, this yahoo site does not gate open the files for view of bots, spyders etc which are search engine readers that take the stats and key terms from woo and do with the terms and info as Dewey did with a library card catalog back when. that limits the chance that a good, welth rich poster will get the chance to enrich the contents with posts because the yahoo site is hidden from Search engine surfing. Woo will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted. One danger of one trusted source I realized was ; in 2005 a yahoo member that had a bus for sale called me on the phone asking if I would talk it up on the site. The dialogue started with his other friends and I turned into a prick when I gave my true opinion on the hype not the bus when I had fear that someone would rely on the information that gained credibility with unfounded testimonials in print on the site. I later hyped what I still fell to be a good bus and deal that someone lost a one grand deposit on based on my boasted opinion. It cost me 4 hours off my legal retainer to get his grand back, The tuition held value. Greg 94ptca

[Don Bradner]

You would be doing them a big favor if you would point out where that is, as
they can't find it. If you can't find it, you might mention that you can't.

I own/run several forums, as well as moderating others including Yahoo forums.
I've never seen a web-based piece of forum software that exposes ban lists to
anyone without admin privileges, but perhaps there's a bug somewhere that needs
to be corrected.

I'm a bit sensitive on the topic of someone suggesting that private parties
doing forums about branded products are in any way detrimental, since most of
the ones I do deal with some product or another.

For that matter, on my commercial site I come up on Google number one ahead of
the manufacturer on dozens of product lines. I would argue that is good for both
of us - certainly I've never had a manufacturer complain; in fact it usually
gives us an advantage in buying power with them.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1

On 10/28/2009 at 6:05 PM gregory O wrote:

>No it was a management list found surfing the site.

[Ernie Ekberg]

Thanks Pete, This forum has been part of my heart and sometimes comments get to me. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pete Masterson wrote: From: Pete Masterson Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 7:50 PM Now you see why Greg gets "banned." I happen to think both groups have unique values all their own. That's why I participate in both of them. WOG also has a certain value, too ... but I never really got going with that one. (There's only so much time in the day...) Ernie, you have a great discussion list and it is quite valuable. Don't let un-thinking comments get you down. Pete Masterson (former) '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 El Sobrante CA aeonix1@mac. com On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Ernie Ekberg wrote: " WOO will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted" What the hell- you think this forum is just chopped liver. ??? Not on my watch. I think we are doing a damn good job doing what we are doing. I'm not a very happy owner right now. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991 http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair --- OnWed, 10/28/09, gregory O<greg@rainbowrv. com>wrote: From: gregory O <greg@rainbowrv. com> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. To:WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:05 PM No it was a management list found surfing the site. I go to woo for info, I find the site informative. you don't have to be a member to find anything if you master boolean terms for query's you can search the woo site with google. Like you say, this yahoo site does not gate open the files for view of bots, spyders etc which are search engine readers that take the stats and key terms from woo and do with the terms and info as Dewey did with a library card catalog back when. that limits the chance that a good, welth rich poster will get the chance to enrich the contents with posts because the yahoo site is hidden from Search engine surfing. Woo will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted. One danger of one trusted source I realized was ; in 2005 a yahoo member that had a bus for sale called me on the phone asking if I would talk it up on the site. The dialogue started with his other friends and I turned into a prick when I gave my true opinion on the hype not the bus when I had fear that someone would rely on the information that gained credibility with unfounded testimonials in print on the site. I later hyped what I still fell to be a good bus and deal that someone lost a one grand deposit on based on my boasted opinion. It cost me 4 hours off my legal retainer to get his grand back, The tuition held value. Greg 94ptca

[pgchd]

It is my view that all 4 forums and all formal and informal bluebird/wanderlodge
clubs are valuable and contribute to the longevity of the brand and helps people
fix their equipment. We,as a team, are in far better shape than some of the
other "orphans" out there in the industry. If they didn't provide value,they
would not have a membership / following. Now, with that said...

As a point of information, not pointing any fingers at ANYONE, just for those
who have never seen this before........

"Troll (Internet)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the
Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?".
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory,
irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online
discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other
users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
discussion."

- forums are a lot like national parks..... "signs post to not feed the wild
animals"......but people still do and I guess forums will always feed the
trolls, after all, they still need to eat!!!!!!:-)
HAHAHAHHHAHAHA - just a joke.......... to inject levity!!!!!

- On a more serious note, some good came from this thread, I was bored yesterday
so I tried the suggested search... I used the word "classified" in the string so
I could bring up wanderlodges for sale...... which it did, but it also brought
up the "members list" from Bruce's forum....... not good ( get it, classified
list). Now I know Randy's forum just upgraded their software last week and his
list DID NOT show up......... so my best guess is their is a "bug" in v bulletin
software...... and also proves someone's earlier point that everyone's
contribution is important BUT a little common courtesy for our fellow members
would go a LONGGGGGG way!



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
>
> Thanks Pete, This forum has been part of my heart and sometimes comments get
to me.
>
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Wanderlodge
> Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
>
> --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pete Masterson wrote:
>
>
> From: Pete Masterson
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at
Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 7:50 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Now you see why Greg gets "banned."
>
>
> I happen to think both groups have unique values all their own. That's why I
participate in both of them. WOG also has a certain value, too ... but I never
really got going with that one. (There's only so much time in the day...)
>
>
> Ernie, you have a great discussion list and it is quite valuable. Don't let
un-thinking comments get you down.
>
>
>
>
>
> Pete Masterson
> (former) '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> El Sobrante CA
> aeonix1@mac. com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> " WOO will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted"
> What the hell- you think this forum is just chopped liver. ??? Not on my
watch.
> I think we are doing a damn good job doing what we are doing. I'm not a very
happy owner right now.
>
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Wanderlodge
> Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991
> http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair
>
> --- On Wed, 10/28/09, gregory O wrote:
>
>
> From: gregory O
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament
Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.
> To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:05 PM
>
>
>
>
> No it was a management list found surfing the site. I go to woo for info, I
find the site informative. you don't have to be a member to find anything if you
master boolean terms for query's you can search the woo site with google.
>
> Like you say, this yahoo site does not gate open the files for view of bots,
spyders etc which are search engine readers that take the stats and key terms
from woo and do with the terms and info as Dewey did with a library card catalog
back when. that limits the chance that a good, welth rich poster will get the
chance to enrich the contents with posts because the yahoo site is hidden from
Search engine surfing. Woo will eventually have the best content and be the most
trusted.
>
> One danger of one trusted source I realized was ; in 2005 a yahoo member that
had a bus for sale called me on the phone asking if I would talk it up on the
site. The dialogue started with his other friends and I turned into a prick when
I gave my true opinion on the hype not the bus when I had fear that someone
would rely on the information that gained credibility with unfounded
testimonials in print on the site. I later hyped what I still fell to be a good
bus and deal that someone lost a one grand deposit on based on my boasted
opinion. It cost me 4 hours off my legal retainer to get his grand back, The
tuition held value.
>
> Greg
> 94ptca
>

[pgchd]

My apologies,forgot to manually sign as I do not post much here:

Pete Chin
95 42'
Daytona Beach, FL

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pgchd" wrote:
>
> It is my view that all 4 forums and all formal and informal
bluebird/wanderlodge clubs are valuable and contribute to the longevity of the
brand and helps people fix their equipment. We,as a team, are in far better
shape than some of the other "orphans" out there in the industry. If they didn't
provide value,they would not have a membership / following. Now, with that
said...
>
> As a point of information, not pointing any fingers at ANYONE, just for those
who have never seen this before........
>
> "Troll (Internet)
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> "Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the
Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?".
> In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory,
irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online
discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other
users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
discussion."
>
> - forums are a lot like national parks..... "signs post to not feed the wild
animals"......but people still do and I guess forums will always feed the
trolls, after all, they still need to eat!!!!!!:-)
> HAHAHAHHHAHAHA - just a joke.......... to inject levity!!!!!
>
> - On a more serious note, some good came from this thread, I was bored
yesterday so I tried the suggested search... I used the word "classified" in the
string so I could bring up wanderlodges for sale...... which it did, but it also
brought up the "members list" from Bruce's forum....... not good ( get it,
classified list). Now I know Randy's forum just upgraded their software last
week and his list DID NOT show up......... so my best guess is their is a "bug"
in v bulletin software...... and also proves someone's earlier point that
everyone's contribution is important BUT a little common courtesy for our fellow
members would go a LONGGGGGG way!
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Pete, This forum has been part of my heart and sometimes comments get
to me.
> >
> >
> > Ernie Ekberg
> > 83PT40
> > Wanderlodge
> > Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991
> > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pete Masterson wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Pete Masterson
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at
Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 7:50 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Now you see why Greg gets "banned."
> >
> >
> > I happen to think both groups have unique values all their own. That's why I
participate in both of them. WOG also has a certain value, too ... but I never
really got going with that one. (There's only so much time in the day...)
> >
> >
> > Ernie, you have a great discussion list and it is quite valuable. Don't let
un-thinking comments get you down.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > (former) '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > El Sobrante CA
> > aeonix1@mac. com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > " WOO will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted"
> > What the hell- you think this forum is just chopped liver. ??? Not on my
watch.
> > I think we are doing a damn good job doing what we are doing. I'm not a very
happy owner right now.
> >
> >
> > Ernie Ekberg
> > 83PT40
> > Wanderlodge
> > Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991
> > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, gregory O wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: gregory O
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament
Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:05 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > No it was a management list found surfing the site. I go to woo for info, I
find the site informative. you don't have to be a member to find anything if you
master boolean terms for query's you can search the woo site with google.
> >
> > Like you say, this yahoo site does not gate open the files for view of bots,
spyders etc which are search engine readers that take the stats and key terms
from woo and do with the terms and info as Dewey did with a library card catalog
back when. that limits the chance that a good, welth rich poster will get the
chance to enrich the contents with posts because the yahoo site is hidden from
Search engine surfing. Woo will eventually have the best content and be the most
trusted.
> >
> > One danger of one trusted source I realized was ; in 2005 a yahoo member
that had a bus for sale called me on the phone asking if I would talk it up on
the site. The dialogue started with his other friends and I turned into a prick
when I gave my true opinion on the hype not the bus when I had fear that someone
would rely on the information that gained credibility with unfounded
testimonials in print on the site. I later hyped what I still fell to be a good
bus and deal that someone lost a one grand deposit on based on my boasted
opinion. It cost me 4 hours off my legal retainer to get his grand back, The
tuition held value.
> >
> > Greg
> > 94ptca
> >
>

[gregory O]

Pete a great search tool on google is to put site:"domain.com,net,org" after the
last term in your search. this will bring up only the hits on that domain.

like:

series 60 data port site:wanderlodgeownersgroup.com
would find all the hit pages with the 4 terms on that site only. you can
farther search a site once it showes up in a search by adding the site: limit to
the next set of results

Or:
wanderlodge -fc -forward site:craigslist.org
to search every craigslist across the country but not include FC in the results
if it is a pusher you seek

google also has an advance search that will filter out date ranges go to the
hyperlink "advanced search" after the click to search button, at the bottom is a
date range option, click on that, make a choice then the results will only hold
the chosen attributes.

on this site searches for files and attachments make them almost useless.
members here need to use more descriptive subject headings or file names. a
google search wont yield results so that search is not available. the "series
60 dataport" recent post was a good example of a thread that will be useful
forever as it is easy to find in a onsite search.
Greg
94ptca


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pgchd" wrote:
>
> My apologies,forgot to manually sign as I do not post much here:
>
> Pete Chin
> 95 42'
> Daytona Beach, FL
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pgchd" wrote:
> >
> > It is my view that all 4 forums and all formal and informal
bluebird/wanderlodge clubs are valuable and contribute to the longevity of the
brand and helps people fix their equipment. We,as a team, are in far better
shape than some of the other "orphans" out there in the industry. If they didn't
provide value,they would not have a membership / following. Now, with that
said...
> >
> > As a point of information, not pointing any fingers at ANYONE, just for
those who have never seen this before........
> >
> > "Troll (Internet)
> > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> > "Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the
Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?".
> > In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory,
irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online
discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other
users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
discussion."
> >
> > - forums are a lot like national parks..... "signs post to not feed the wild
animals"......but people still do and I guess forums will always feed the
trolls, after all, they still need to eat!!!!!!:-)
> > HAHAHAHHHAHAHA - just a joke.......... to inject levity!!!!!
> >
> > - On a more serious note, some good came from this thread, I was bored
yesterday so I tried the suggested search... I used the word "classified" in the
string so I could bring up wanderlodges for sale...... which it did, but it also
brought up the "members list" from Bruce's forum....... not good ( get it,
classified list). Now I know Randy's forum just upgraded their software last
week and his list DID NOT show up......... so my best guess is their is a "bug"
in v bulletin software...... and also proves someone's earlier point that
everyone's contribution is important BUT a little common courtesy for our fellow
members would go a LONGGGGGG way!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Pete, This forum has been part of my heart and sometimes comments
get to me.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > 83PT40
> > > Wanderlodge
> > > Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991
> > > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pete Masterson wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Pete Masterson
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at
Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 7:50 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now you see why Greg gets "banned."
> > >
> > >
> > > I happen to think both groups have unique values all their own. That's why
I participate in both of them. WOG also has a certain value, too ... but I never
really got going with that one. (There's only so much time in the day...)
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie, you have a great discussion list and it is quite valuable. Don't
let un-thinking comments get you down.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pete Masterson
> > > (former) '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > El Sobrante CA
> > > aeonix1@mac. com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Ernie Ekberg wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > " WOO will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted"
> > > What the hell- you think this forum is just chopped liver. ??? Not on my
watch.
> > > I think we are doing a damn good job doing what we are doing. I'm not a
very happy owner right now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > 83PT40
> > > Wanderlodge
> > > Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991
> > > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, gregory O wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: gregory O
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at
Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:05 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No it was a management list found surfing the site. I go to woo for info,
I find the site informative. you don't have to be a member to find anything if
you master boolean terms for query's you can search the woo site with google.
> > >
> > > Like you say, this yahoo site does not gate open the files for view of
bots, spyders etc which are search engine readers that take the stats and key
terms from woo and do with the terms and info as Dewey did with a library card
catalog back when. that limits the chance that a good, welth rich poster will
get the chance to enrich the contents with posts because the yahoo site is
hidden from Search engine surfing. Woo will eventually have the best content and
be the most trusted.
> > >
> > > One danger of one trusted source I realized was ; in 2005 a yahoo member
that had a bus for sale called me on the phone asking if I would talk it up on
the site. The dialogue started with his other friends and I turned into a prick
when I gave my true opinion on the hype not the bus when I had fear that someone
would rely on the information that gained credibility with unfounded
testimonials in print on the site. I later hyped what I still fell to be a good
bus and deal that someone lost a one grand deposit on based on my boasted
opinion. It cost me 4 hours off my legal retainer to get his grand back, The
tuition held value.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > > 94ptca
> > >
> >
>

[Elliot]

Until the day comes that I know it all, I will listen to anyone with knowledge or an opinion in the hopes of learning something new. Therefore I belong to WOO, WOG, Vintage, FoF , and Ernie's site here. While I certainly don't always agree with some posts, I have found this and the other sites to be invaluable to wannabees, newbees, and the old guard. It is my wish to be able to give back to all of you who DO give so freely of yourselves. Just my 2 cents! Thank you! Elliot

-----Original Message-----

From: Ernie Ekberg

To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 8:24 pm

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.

Thanks Pete, This forum has been part of my heart and sometimes comments get to me. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erniesremodelingandrepair --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pete Masterson com> wrote: From: Pete Masterson com> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 7:50 PM Now you see why Greg gets "banned." I happen to think both groups have unique values all their own. That's why I participate in both of them. WOG also has a certain value, too ... but I never really got going with that one. (There's only so much time in the day...) Ernie, you have a great discussion list and it is quite valuable. Don't let un-thinking comments get you down. Pete Masterson (former) '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 El Sobrante CA aeonix1@mac. com On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Ernie Ekberg wrote: " WOO will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted" What the hell- you think this forum is just chopped liver. ??? Not on my watch. I think we are doing a damn good job doing what we are doing. I'm not a very happy owner right now. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991 http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair --- OnWed, 10/28/09, gregory O<greg@rainbowrv. com>wrote: From: gregory O <greg@rainbowrv. com> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. To:WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:05 PM No it was a management list found surfing the site. I go to woo for info, I find the site informative. you don't have to be a member to find anything if you master boolean terms for query's you can search the woo site with google. Like you say, this yahoo site does not gate open the files for view of bots, spyders etc which are search engine readers that take the stats and key terms from woo and do with the terms and info as Dewey did with a library card catalog back when. that limits the chance that a good, welth rich poster will get the chance to enrich the contents with posts because the yahoo site is hidden from Search engine surfing. Woo will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted. One danger of one trusted source I realized was ; in 2005 a yahoo member that had a bus for sale called me on the phone asking if I would talk it up on the site. The dialogue started with his other friends and I turned into a prick when I gave my true opinion on the hype not the bus when I had fear that someone would rely on the information that gained credibility with unfounded testimonials in print on the site. I later hyped what I still fell to be a good bus and deal that someone lost a one grand deposit on based on my boasted opinion. It cost me 4 hours off my legal retainer to get his grand back, The tuition held value. Greg 94ptca

[Greg Young]

I agree with Pete that all the resources are valuable... I've saved myself immense time, money and effort thanks to the folks particularly on this group, and made our experience as Bluebird owners much richer. While I've met only a few in person I consider everyone here a friend. I hope to meet more of you as time passes. And as a moderator and owner on other Yahoo groups, I understand how difficult it can be to keep the peace, and offer my thanks to Ernie for doing that quite well. And taking a breath to relax and let some of our offended feelings float away is probably a good thing.

And with that in mind, I would like to suggest that just because one may infer an offense doesn't mean it was intended. In real life I find myself taking offense at all sorts of things that have nothing to do with me, and someone
(usually my wife) has to remind me that it isn't all about me. As a somewhat less interested party on this topic, I saw Greg's comments as simply informative, and at the worst constructive criticism not of the work that Ernie and the many very active and knowledgeable posters do, but more of some of the inherent limitations of each of the online tools we use. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he was sitting there thinking while he wrote his note "I'll get back at them - but it'll be subtle enough that some will just think it's tech talk."

"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are". Anais Nin

Thanks
Greg Young
86 PT40 "Bluefire"
Back at home base in Escondido CA after 6 months
and 15,000 miles on the road. Our trip map: http://www.communitywalk.com/bluefire2009

Each time you judge yourself you break your heart.
-Kirpal Venanji

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From: pgchd To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 6:13:21 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater,
Fl.

My apologies,forgot to manually sign as I do not post much here:



Pete Chin

95 42'

Daytona Beach, FL



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "pgchd" wrote:

>

> It is my view that all 4 forums and all formal and informal bluebird/wanderlodg e clubs are valuable and contribute to the longevity of the brand and helps people fix their equipment. We,as a team, are in far better shape than some of the other "orphans" out there in the industry. If they didn't provide value,they would not have a membership / following. Now, with that said...

>

> As a point of information, not pointing any fingers at ANYONE, just for those who have never seen this before...... ..

>

> "Troll (Internet)

> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

> "Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?".

> In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

>

> - forums are a lot like national parks..... "signs post to not feed the wild animals".... ..but people still do and I guess forums will always feed the trolls, after all, they still need to eat!!!!!!:-)

> HAHAHAHHHAHAHA - just a joke........ .. to inject levity!!!!!

>

> - On a more serious note, some good came from this thread, I was bored yesterday so I tried the suggested search... I used the word "classified" in the string so I could bring up wanderlodges for sale...... which it did, but it also brought up the "members list" from Bruce's forum....... not good ( get it, classified list). Now I know Randy's forum just upgraded their software last week and his list DID NOT show up......... so my best guess is their is a "bug" in v bulletin software.... .. and also proves someone's earlier point that everyone's contribution is important BUT a little common courtesy for our fellow members would go a LONGGGGGG way!

>

>

>

> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Ernie Ekberg wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Pete, This forum has been part of my heart and sometimes comments get to me.

> >

> >

> > Ernie Ekberg

> > 83PT40

> > Wanderlodge

> > Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991

> > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair

> >

> > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pete Masterson wrote:

> >

> >

> > From: Pete Masterson

> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.

> > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 7:50 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Now you see why Greg gets "banned."

> >

> >

> > I happen to think both groups have unique values all their own. That's why I participate in both of them. WOG also has a certain value, too ... but I never really got going with that one. (There's only so much time in the day...)

> >

> >

> > Ernie, you have a great discussion list and it is quite valuable. Don't let un-thinking comments get you down.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Pete Masterson

> > (former) '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

> > El Sobrante CA

> > aeonix1@mac. com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Ernie Ekberg wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " WOO will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted"

> > What the hell- you think this forum is just chopped liver. ??? Not on my watch.

> > I think we are doing a damn good job doing what we are doing. I'm not a very happy owner right now.

> >

> >

> > Ernie Ekberg

> > 83PT40

> > Wanderlodge

> > Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991

> > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair

> >

> > --- OnWed, 10/28/09, gregory Owrote:

> >

> >

> > From: gregory O

> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.

> > To:WanderlodgeForum @ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:05 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > No it was a management list found surfing the site. I go to woo for info, I find the site informative. you don't have to be a member to find anything if you master boolean terms for query's you can search the woo site with google.

> >

> > Like you say, this yahoo site does not gate open the files for view of bots, spyders etc which are search engine readers that take the stats and key terms from woo and do with the terms and info as Dewey did with a library card catalog back when. that limits the chance that a good, welth rich poster will get the chance to enrich the contents with posts because the yahoo site is hidden from Search engine surfing. Woo will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted.

> >

> > One danger of one trusted source I realized was ; in 2005 a yahoo member that had a bus for sale called me on the phone asking if I would talk it up on the site. The dialogue started with his other friends and I turned into a prick when I gave my true opinion on the hype not the bus when I had fear that someone would rely on the information that gained credibility with unfounded testimonials in print on the site. I later hyped what I still fell to be a good bus and deal that someone lost a one grand deposit on based on my boasted opinion. It cost me 4 hours off my legal retainer to get his grand back, The tuition held value.

> >

> > Greg

> > 94ptca

> >

>

[jburgessx2@...]

I, too, enjoy the help available on the forum. So far, it has saved my butt about 5 times when problems arose. In fact, most answers came within 15 minutes - I find that amazing! I really need this forum because I don't know it all.

I don't take offense to anyone here. While opinions vary, I have the ability to use my BS filter and I ignore anything destructive. I refuse to participate in the arguments and sometimes find them amusing and/or entertaining. Frankly, others should do the same. And, I find the 'shoe' entertaining. I don't think every post has to be BB related.

All forums have people who are controversial and people who choose to argue with them. It's best to just ignore it and focus on the good stuff.

I thank Ernie (and anyone else) for keeping this resource alive and well. I know I need the help and hope to help others when I can.

Jerry
85 PT40

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: Greg Young

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:42:20 -0700 (PDT)

To:

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.

I agree with Pete that all the resources are valuable... I've saved myself immense time, money and effort thanks to the folks particularly on this group, and made our experience as Bluebird owners much richer. While I've met only a few in person I consider everyone here a friend. I hope to meet more of you as time passes. And as a moderator and owner on other Yahoo groups, I understand how difficult it can be to keep the peace, and offer my thanks to Ernie for doing that quite well. And taking a breath to relax and let some of our offended feelings float away is probably a good thing.

And with that in mind, I would like to suggest that just because one may infer an offense doesn't mean it was intended. In real life I find myself taking offense at all sorts of things that have nothing to do with me, and someone
(usually my wife) has to remind me that it isn't all about me. As a somewhat less interested party on this topic, I saw Greg's comments as simply informative, and at the worst constructive criticism not of the work that Ernie and the many very active and knowledgeable posters do, but more of some of the inherent limitations of each of the online tools we use. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he was sitting there thinking while he wrote his note "I'll get back at them - but it'll be subtle enough that some will just think it's tech talk."

"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are". Anais Nin

Thanks
Greg Young
86 PT40 "Bluefire"
Back at home base in Escondido CA after 6 months
and 15,000 miles on the road. Our trip map: http://www.communitywalk.com/bluefire2009

Each time you judge yourself you break your heart.
-Kirpal Venanji

---

From: pgchd net>
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 6:13:21 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater,
Fl.

My apologies,forgot to manually sign as I do not post much here:



Pete Chin

95 42'

Daytona Beach, FL



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "pgchd" wrote:

>

> It is my view that all 4 forums and all formal and informal bluebird/wanderlodg e clubs are valuable and contribute to the longevity of the brand and helps people fix their equipment. We,as a team, are in far better shape than some of the other "orphans" out there in the industry. If they didn't provide value,they would not have a membership / following. Now, with that said...

>

> As a point of information, not pointing any fingers at ANYONE, just for those who have never seen this before...... ..

>

> "Troll (Internet)

> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

> "Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?".

> In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

>

> - forums are a lot like national parks..... "signs post to not feed the wild animals".... ..but people still do and I guess forums will always feed the trolls, after all, they still need to eat!!!!!!:-)

> HAHAHAHHHAHAHA - just a joke........ .. to inject levity!!!!!

>

> - On a more serious note, some good came from this thread, I was bored yesterday so I tried the suggested search... I used the word "classified" in the string so I could bring up wanderlodges for sale...... which it did, but it also brought up the "members list" from Bruce's forum....... not good ( get it, classified list). Now I know Randy's forum just upgraded their software last week and his list DID NOT show up......... so my best guess is their is a "bug" in v bulletin software.... .. and also proves someone's earlier point that everyone's contribution is important BUT a little common courtesy for our fellow members would go a LONGGGGGG way!

>

>

>

> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Ernie Ekberg wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Pete, This forum has been part of my heart and sometimes comments get to me.

> >

> >

> > Ernie Ekberg

> > 83PT40

> > Wanderlodge

> > Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991

> > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair

> >

> > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pete Masterson wrote:

> >

> >

> > From: Pete Masterson

> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.

> > To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 7:50 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Now you see why Greg gets "banned."

> >

> >

> > I happen to think both groups have unique values all their own. That's why I participate in both of them. WOG also has a certain value, too ... but I never really got going with that one. (There's only so much time in the day...)

> >

> >

> > Ernie, you have a great discussion list and it is quite valuable. Don't let un-thinking comments get you down.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Pete Masterson

> > (former) '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

> > El Sobrante CA

> > aeonix1@mac. com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Ernie Ekberg wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " WOO will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted"

> > What the hell- you think this forum is just chopped liver. ??? Not on my watch.

> > I think we are doing a damn good job doing what we are doing. I'm not a very happy owner right now.

> >

> >

> > Ernie Ekberg

> > 83PT40

> > Wanderlodge

> > Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991

> > http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair

> >

> > --- OnWed, 10/28/09, gregory Owrote:

> >

> >

> > From: gregory O

> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.

> > To:WanderlodgeForum @ yahoogroups. com

> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 1:05 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > No it was a management list found surfing the site. I go to woo for info, I find the site informative. you don't have to be a member to find anything if you master boolean terms for query's you can search the woo site with google.

> >

> > Like you say, this yahoo site does not gate open the files for view of bots, spyders etc which are search engine readers that take the stats and key terms from woo and do with the terms and info as Dewey did with a library card catalog back when. that limits the chance that a good, welth rich poster will get the chance to enrich the contents with posts because the yahoo site is hidden from Search engine surfing. Woo will eventually have the best content and be the most trusted.

> >

> > One danger of one trusted source I realized was ; in 2005 a yahoo member that had a bus for sale called me on the phone asking if I would talk it up on the site. The dialogue started with his other friends and I turned into a prick when I gave my true opinion on the hype not the bus when I had fear that someone would rely on the information that gained credibility with unfounded testimonials in print on the site. I later hyped what I still fell to be a good bus and deal that someone lost a one grand deposit on based on my boasted opinion. It cost me 4 hours off my legal retainer to get his grand back, The tuition held value.

> >

> > Greg

> > 94ptca

> >

>

[Al Scudder]

Don't feel bad about not understanding what he said.............I didn't know what he was saying

Scooter

2000LX Ocqueoc, MI

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: duesenmaschine@...
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:59:05 -0700
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl.

Hi Ernie i thought I knew the English language, and I love to read this site. But what Greg is saying, I have not the faintest Idea what he is talking about. No clue whatsoever. So, I will just skip it then and keep reading on about the BB problems, cautions, fixes, remedies etc like I have been doing. I think you are doing a great job. Just hope that you find a lot of work in flooring and fixing. Keep up the good works, I like it Juergen in PA 1991 WLSP 36 --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Ernie Ekberg com> wrote: From: Ernie Ekberg com> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:55 PM I would like us all to get along with each other. Since the factory went south, we need each other's input even more. Ernie- windy Norco, Ca Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991 http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ erniesremodeling andrepair --- On Wed, 10/28/09, David Brady wrote: From: David Brady Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:58 AM Greg, I guess your saying that once upon a time if you googled: "Wanderlodge Owners Group blocked users" some thread within WOG showed up? and that pressure from some other competing wanderlodge forum prompted the removal of the thread? Unfortunately groups like WOG and WOO are private and are not democratic organizations. The forum czars hold the final word on what the rules are, what topics are allowed, what gets moderated or censored, etc. The only recourse is to start your own forum. I completely agree that competing forums keep people honest and limit the infringement on free speech. But as long as the forums are privately owned and funded, free speech is always in doubt. It would be interesting to start a forum and to run it like PBS with grants and individual monetary contributors, free of corporate America. Only then can we approach a democracy where the populace dictates who owns what and what gets printed. David Brady '02 LXi, NC -----Original Message----- From: gregory O Sent: Oct 28, 2009 11:01 AM To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Intellectual Property arrives at Parliament Coach Corp. Clearwater, Fl. John does a wonderful job and is overly helpful over there. I am sure Randys has spent upwards of 15G's on the upkeep and development and countless un billable attention time. Their google placement will attest to that. The source is a better place to find members and pool of information as this yahoo information wont show up in a google search . There is a definite need for the site and the success proves the value. There was a list displayed that had a banter title and description. problem with banter, if one 'party of' is silenced, statements by the other is defamation. Problem with too much control of one forum is when it is the only source, what can be done, is done irregardless of the merit or un answered replies(by silence of those in control) . if the list is removed, it was this site that prompted removal which only proves merit in the existance of addital sources. I wont last on the site so I quit. John even quit Wanderlodge_ all when I joined, what do you think my chances were. the best way to not be put on the index was to not participate. I dont want to add to information that is possibly filtered or lost at the whim of few (however well respected) individuals. when HomeDepot was the only game in Romoland, 2x4,s were green crooked and $5.00. Lowes came to Town, now ; the 2x4's are $3.10 furniture grade and a cleark will help load your truck. 'Better is only a reference to that worst'. Original Greg quote Greg 94ptca --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Don Bradner" wrote: > > Greg, your post generated some discussion on WOG, particularly the line below. I asked: > > "what is your take (John and Randy) on his comment: "the index list of blocked users WOG displays" > Is there such a list that shows to anyone other than site admins?" > > John's reply was "There is no list of that kind that I can find that is viewable by the general public, so perhaps your question is best asked of Greg himself, as far as I'm concerned he is more than welcome to re-join this forum if he so desires and post all that he wants, as long as they fall within the Wanderlodge Owners Group > General Discussion > Site Rules > Wanderlodge Owners Group Guidelines" > > Earlier John had said that you were not banned/blocked, but removed from membership at your request. > > Can you explain what you meant? > > Don Bradner > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" > My location: http://www.bbirdmaps. com/user2. cfm?user= 1 > > On 10/27/2009 at 3:09 PM gregory O wrote: > > >clean them up like removing the index > >list of blocked users WOG displays. > > > >Greg > >94ptca >