batteries

[Blair]

John,

Not a problem, probably my fault originally for posting a confusing statement.
I don't keep my old messages for reference.

For what it's worth, I really don't like gel batteries....

If we take it easy on the juice, I figure we can go three days before hitting
the genset...

Blair In Oregon




At 04:55 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
> Sorry Blair, for misunderstanding your response to
>Rich's original post. Apparently Rich and I both
>thought you were lumping AGM and Gel in the same
>realm.
>
> No question AGM's and Lead-acid's can withstand
>similar high-charge rates, where Gel's will sustain
>damage.
>
>John
>
>
>--- Blair wrote:
>
> > Rich, sorry guys, I don't have gell batteries,
> > they are AGM's which are
> > built differently and have a different charging
> > rate.....
> >
> > I you check with the makers of the AGM's you will
> > find that you CAN
> > charge at the same rate as Pb acid if done
> > correctly.
> >
> > Blair in Oregon
> >
> >
>
> > >Hi Blair,
> > >
> > >You must disagree with many others too... I am not
>saying that your particular brand of battery won't
> > >tolerate the lead acid battery charger, just that
> > most all brands of
> > >GEL batteries do not.
>
> > >Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
> > >
>
>
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[ingamar2]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@a... wrote:
>
> Craig, when it gets below 50 I turn on my block heater. Maybe the
fella that
> has the coach where you park it can turn on the heater before you
try and
> start it. Don't want you to miss any MSU games! Ernie 83pt40 in
Kansas
>
>
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>
I do turn on the engine heater for an hour or more before starting
when pluged in and it start pretty good. My biggest problem is when
I'm not pluged in. At the last Cat game I let the generator run for
five hours with the engine heater on before I could get the engine
to start and the temp was 40.
I had the engine heater ck and they said it was ok.

Did you head back to Texas. It's getting cold hear.

Craig Hovda
90WBWL

[g_man1146]

Hi Blair & John,

While I can't say too much bad about the East Penn Gel Cells in
my '99 as they are still going strong at 6+ years old, I agree that
AGM is a better technology. From what I read, they should give me
more cycles and charge much faster which is a big benefit when
charging from a generator. I'm sure that I'll be changing over when
these Gel's finally die and will be looking to you for advice on
which ones to get. I've already checked and the inverter/chargers
and I can switch them from the "Gel" setting to an "AGM" setting so
they should charge correctly.

Rich D. '99LXi43' CT


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Blair wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Not a problem, probably my fault originally for posting a
confusing statement.
> I don't keep my old messages for reference.
>
> For what it's worth, I really don't like gel batteries....
>
> If we take it easy on the juice, I figure we can go three days
before hitting
> the genset...
>
> Blair In Oregon
>
>
>
>
> At 04:55 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
> > Sorry Blair, for misunderstanding your response to
> >Rich's original post. Apparently Rich and I both
> >thought you were lumping AGM and Gel in the same
> >realm.
> >
> > No question AGM's and Lead-acid's can withstand
> >similar high-charge rates, where Gel's will sustain
> >damage.
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >--- Blair wrote:
> >
> > > Rich, sorry guys, I don't have gell batteries,
> > > they are AGM's which are
> > > built differently and have a different charging
> > > rate.....
> > >
> > > I you check with the makers of the AGM's you will
> > > find that you CAN
> > > charge at the same rate as Pb acid if done
> > > correctly.
> > >
> > > Blair in Oregon
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >Hi Blair,
> > > >
> > > >You must disagree with many others too... I am not
> >saying that your particular brand of battery won't
> > > >tolerate the lead acid battery charger, just that
> > > most all brands of
> > > >GEL batteries do not.
> >
> > > >Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[nicodemus815@...]

>use 6, 6 volt golf cart batteries wired in series/parallel to give you 12
volts. (Each pair of 6 volt are wired in series to give you 12 V, then the three
pairs are wired in parallel to maintain the 12 V.)

We just replaced all our batteries, and this is the way they are set up. They
have no problem starting the 475hp DD.

I used the Trojan T-105's, as they have had good recommendations for years in
the RV community. With the batteries, all new cables, connectors, an isolator
for the genset battery, and grinding off the 20 years of gunk and repainting
the battery tray, it cost me a few bucks over $600.

On the Newmar forums, a lot of people have good luck with Sam's Club's 6 volt
batteries. They are cheaper than the T-105's too.

Steve Harrie
'86 PT38


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[Blair]

Morning Rich!

First cup of coffee, darker than the back side of the moon, wetter than
the bottom of a boat, and the baby coons are eating the cat food.
Batteries. Don't care what type you have, low discharge makes for
long life. If you pencil the numbers, adding a battery or two goes a long
way to extending the life of the whole group if you up your minimum discharge
point.
I have a real good friend who lives on the upper peninsula that is an
energy consultant for several really large corporations. He does energy
audits
and then makes changes in their entire operations for energy savings. He knows
batteries better than anyone else I've ever met.
Most of what I know comes from him.

Take your battery bank. If you increase the number of batteries
by 50% and raise
the lowest voltage that you allow them to be discharged to you will easily
double their
life. Just going from 12.0 volts to 12.5volts just doubled their life.

Blair in Oregon




At 08:12 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Blair & John,
>
>While I can't say too much bad about the East Penn Gel Cells in
>my '99 as they are still going strong at 6+ years old, I agree that
>AGM is a better technology. From what I read, they should give me
>more cycles and charge much faster which is a big benefit when
>charging from a generator. I'm sure that I'll be changing over when
>these Gel's finally die and will be looking to you for advice on
>which ones to get. I've already checked and the inverter/chargers
>and I can switch them from the "Gel" setting to an "AGM" setting so
>they should charge correctly.
>
>Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Blair wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Not a problem, probably my fault originally for posting a
>confusing statement.
> > I don't keep my old messages for reference.
> >
> > For what it's worth, I really don't like gel batteries....
> >
> > If we take it easy on the juice, I figure we can go three days
>before hitting
> > the genset...
> >
> > Blair In Oregon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:55 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote:
> > > Sorry Blair, for misunderstanding your response to
> > >Rich's original post. Apparently Rich and I both
> > >thought you were lumping AGM and Gel in the same
> > >realm.
> > >
> > > No question AGM's and Lead-acid's can withstand
> > >similar high-charge rates, where Gel's will sustain
> > >damage.
> > >
> > >John
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Blair wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rich, sorry guys, I don't have gell batteries,
> > > > they are AGM's which are
> > > > built differently and have a different charging
> > > > rate.....
> > > >
> > > > I you check with the makers of the AGM's you will
> > > > find that you CAN
> > > > charge at the same rate as Pb acid if done
> > > > correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Blair in Oregon
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >Hi Blair,
> > > > >
> > > > >You must disagree with many others too... I am not
> > >saying that your particular brand of battery won't
> > > > >tolerate the lead acid battery charger, just that
> > > > most all brands of
> > > > >GEL batteries do not.
> > >
> > > > >Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[erniecarpet@...]

Hi Craig, arrived in Texas after visiting with Ralph and Charlotte in Duncan
around noon Fri. Ernie-83pt40 in Texas-- and quite pooped after 1600 miles

-----Original Message-----
From: ingamar2
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:20:17 -0000
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: batteries


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@a... wrote:
>
> Craig, when it gets below 50 I turn on my block heater. Maybe the
fella that
> has the coach where you park it can turn on the heater before you
try and
> start it. Don't want you to miss any MSU games! Ernie 83pt40 in
Kansas
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I do turn on the engine heater for an hour or more before starting
when pluged in and it start pretty good. My biggest problem is when
I'm not pluged in. At the last Cat game I let the generator run for
five hours with the engine heater on before I could get the engine
to start and the temp was 40.
I had the engine heater ck and they said it was ok.

Did you head back to Texas. It's getting cold hear.

Craig Hovda
90WBWL







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[Ernest Ekberg]

I have been cleaning my battery terminals and notice that on 2 of my 4
batteries, that the positive terminals are raised higher then the rest
of the terminals. They look like they have been in some physical
distress- but the cables are all of adequate length. Could this be an
overcharge condition? These batteries are a little over 3 years old.
Ernie-83 PT 40 in Texas- engine is getting hard to start, also

[Tom Warner]

Ernie are all of the batteries of the same manufacturer and type? Is
each battery physically secured with approved battery holddowns? If
all of these are true then as long as they hold a good charge why
worry about them?

tom warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 07:47 PM 11/20/2005, you wrote:
>I have been cleaning my battery terminals and notice that on 2 of my 4
>batteries, that the positive terminals are raised higher then the rest
>of the terminals. They look like they have been in some physical
>distress- but the cables are all of adequate length. Could this be an
>overcharge condition? These batteries are a little over 3 years old.
>Ernie-83 PT 40 in Texas- engine is getting hard to start, also
>

[erniecarpet@...]

These are all Delco 6 volt bought on the same day. Bluebird designed the
angle iron hold downs for these and basically they haven't moved in 3 years.
Just
wondering why the positive terminals are elevated on just 2 batteries.
Ernie-83pt40 in texas


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[nicodemus815@...]

>Just wondering why the positive terminals are elevated on just 2 batteries.

When I bought the PT from Blair, he warned me a couple times, that the
batteries needed quick attention.

When I was replacing them, I used a battery carrier that connects to the
terminals. While I was carrying one of them, the top of the battery came off.

Maybe you have a problem like this.

Steve Harrie
St. George, UT
'86 PT38


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