Montanna LLC

[David A. Scott]

Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are stopped
in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is from a
different state.

I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad
too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than
a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the
total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly.

If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says hello.

-James
78FC33SB
LasVegas NV

[John Suter]

Hi David,

> Is this strictly legal?

I spent considerable time with the "legal eagles"
who had a booth at FMCA this year. After some careful
parsing of words, they told me they no longer
recommend this form of titling for RV's for people who
are domiciled in Florida (and some other states which
I can't recall).

It's my understanding, a problem for us FL folks is
the issue of an "implied lease" between the ownership
entity (LLC) and the asset user (FL resident) wherein
the monthly lease value may be subject to FL sales
tax. "Forewarned is Forearmed," a bean counter once
said!

John Suter


> I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus
> in Montana, toad
> too. It was very fast, had my plates and
> registrations in less than
> a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every
> year after the
> total cost is less than $200 per year, can't
> remember exactly.
>
> If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says
> hello.
>
> -James
> 78FC33SB
> LasVegas NV


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[George Lowry]

We have a Montana Corporation and can speak from personal experience.
First, notice that it is a corporation! That means it is a legal entity
just like any person. The corporation is a legal resident of the state
where it incorporated and can do any business, etc. that is allowed in
that state. There are many companies that are incorporated in various
states and they own vehicles that are driven throughout the country.
For example, many of the large corporations are incorporated in
Delaware, a state that has very little or no corporate taxes. General
Motors is one of those companies.

You can be certain that many of the vehicles you pass on the road are
owned by a company and registered in one state and driven by a driver
licensed in another state. Of course it is legal. CA is one of the most
aggressive states in going after people that are trying to evade their
exhorbinent taxes. I have been stopped - because I had a vehicle (MH)
licensed out of state and a toad licensed in CA - Incurred no problem.
I do recommend having both vehicles owned by the corporation, therefore
the same plates on both. Leads to less questions.

I also recommend that, when you form your LLC, use a fictitious name.
Some people use their own name, while legal, can give officious
bureaucrats something to hassle you about. Remember that you can own a
corporation in any state you want and that corporation can do any
business it wants as long as it is legal in the state in which
incorporated. There are other states where this can be done such as NV.
MT just happens to be the easiest and cheapest at this time.

Check out <http://www.rvtax.com>. I have discussed this with attorneys in both
MT and other states and the opinion is that it is completely legal.
Just keep a low profile. Bureaucrats have learned to use threats and
intimidation but seldom do they go to the courts unless they know they
will win.

George Lowry
'06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203
Spearfish, SD enjoying the wx in Palm Springs

P.S. Talk to Dan West. He owns a shop at the airport in St. George.
Don't have his address at my fingertips but he should be easy to find.
He has an older bus conversion. You might find out how he got around
those high taxes.

George

David A. Scott wrote:

>Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are stopped
>in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is from a
>different state.
>
>I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad
>too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than
>a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the
>total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly.
>
>If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says hello.
>
>-James
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>LasVegas NV
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[Curt Sprenger]

This was taken from the returned email that I sent to http://www.rvtax.com .
"However, this does not preempt you from complying with your home state
requirements. If your vehicle primarily resides in your home state
(most states define this as more than 6 months), than you are required
by your state law to register your vehicle there."

Seems we just say that our RV & Toad is out of state more time than in
state.

Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.



George Lowry wrote:

> We have a Montana Corporation and can speak from personal experience.
> First, notice that it is a corporation! That means it is a legal entity
> just like any person. The corporation is a legal resident of the state
> where it incorporated and can do any business, etc. that is allowed in
> that state. There are many companies that are incorporated in various
> states and they own vehicles that are driven throughout the country.
> For example, many of the large corporations are incorporated in
> Delaware, a state that has very little or no corporate taxes. General
> Motors is one of those companies.
>
> You can be certain that many of the vehicles you pass on the road are
> owned by a company and registered in one state and driven by a driver
> licensed in another state. Of course it is legal. CA is one of the most
> aggressive states in going after people that are trying to evade their
> exhorbinent taxes. I have been stopped - because I had a vehicle (MH)
> licensed out of state and a toad licensed in CA - Incurred no problem.
> I do recommend having both vehicles owned by the corporation, therefore
> the same plates on both. Leads to less questions.
>
> I also recommend that, when you form your LLC, use a fictitious name.
> Some people use their own name, while legal, can give officious
> bureaucrats something to hassle you about. Remember that you can own a
> corporation in any state you want and that corporation can do any
> business it wants as long as it is legal in the state in which
> incorporated. There are other states where this can be done such as NV.
> MT just happens to be the easiest and cheapest at this time.
>
> Check out <http://www.rvtax.com>. I have discussed this with attorneys in both
> MT and other states and the opinion is that it is completely legal.
> Just keep a low profile. Bureaucrats have learned to use threats and
> intimidation but seldom do they go to the courts unless they know they
> will win.
>
> George Lowry
> '06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203
> Spearfish, SD enjoying the wx in Palm Springs
>
> P.S. Talk to Dan West. He owns a shop at the airport in St. George.
> Don't have his address at my fingertips but he should be easy to find.
> He has an older bus conversion. You might find out how he got around
> those high taxes.
>
> George
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> David A. Scott wrote:
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> >Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are
> stopped
> >in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is
> from a
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> >I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad
> >too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than
> >a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the
> >total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly.
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[George Lowry]

IF you are a resident of CA, then the CA bureaucrats will do everything
to get "their" share of your money. One of the definitions that CA uses
is that if you are in the state for six months plus oe day, then you are
a resident! Note that the six months does not have to be in one
stretch. Another that they like to use is that if you own property in
CA, then you are a resident. Had this pulled on a friend who owns
property in both CA and AZ but is a legal resident in AZ. To get out of
the hassle, he registered his vehicle in both states. This is illegal
and unconstitutional, but some bureaucrats will do that. You can own
property in all fifty states but only have to be a resident in one.
Remember that everything is a compromise. To get the good weather of CA,
you must pay the extra costs. So far, we have not found the "perfect
place" to live. Which is why we are now full time - we are still looking.

All of these firms in MT and in other states that perform these "agent"
services for LLC's and other corporations are careful to advise you to
comply with the laws of the state with which you are a "resident". Check
out everything and see if it meets YOUR requirements.

George Lowry
'06 Alpine Apex - formerly '95 WBDA 4203
Spearfish, SD in sunny, warm Palm Springs Leaving for AZ tomorrow....

Curt Sprenger wrote:

>This was taken from the returned email that I sent to http://www.rvtax.com .
>"However, this does not preempt you from complying with your home state
>requirements. If your vehicle primarily resides in your home state
>(most states define this as more than 6 months), than you are required
>by your state law to register your vehicle there."
>
>Seems we just say that our RV & Toad is out of state more time than in
>state.
>
>Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
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>George Lowry wrote:
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>>We have a Montana Corporation and can speak from personal experience.
>>First, notice that it is a corporation! That means it is a legal entity
>>just like any person. The corporation is a legal resident of the state
>>where it incorporated and can do any business, etc. that is allowed in
>>that state. There are many companies that are incorporated in various
>>states and they own vehicles that are driven throughout the country.
>>For example, many of the large corporations are incorporated in
>>Delaware, a state that has very little or no corporate taxes. General
>>Motors is one of those companies.
>>
>>You can be certain that many of the vehicles you pass on the road are
>>owned by a company and registered in one state and driven by a driver
>>licensed in another state. Of course it is legal. CA is one of the most
>>aggressive states in going after people that are trying to evade their
>>exhorbinent taxes. I have been stopped - because I had a vehicle (MH)
>>licensed out of state and a toad licensed in CA - Incurred no problem.
>>I do recommend having both vehicles owned by the corporation, therefore
>>the same plates on both. Leads to less questions.
>>
>>I also recommend that, when you form your LLC, use a fictitious name.
>>Some people use their own name, while legal, can give officious
>>bureaucrats something to hassle you about. Remember that you can own a
>>corporation in any state you want and that corporation can do any
>>business it wants as long as it is legal in the state in which
>>incorporated. There are other states where this can be done such as NV.
>>MT just happens to be the easiest and cheapest at this time.
>>
>>Check out <http://www.rvtax.com>. I have discussed this with attorneys in both
>>MT and other states and the opinion is that it is completely legal.
>>Just keep a low profile. Bureaucrats have learned to use threats and
>>intimidation but seldom do they go to the courts unless they know they
>>will win.
>>
>>George Lowry
>>'06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203
>>Spearfish, SD enjoying the wx in Palm Springs
>>
>>P.S. Talk to Dan West. He owns a shop at the airport in St. George.
>>Don't have his address at my fingertips but he should be easy to find.
>>He has an older bus conversion. You might find out how he got around
>>those high taxes.
>>
>>George
>>
>>David A. Scott wrote:
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>>>Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are
>>>
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>>stopped
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>>>in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is
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>>from a
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>>>different state.
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>>>I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad
>>>too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than
>>>a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the
>>>total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly.
>>>
>>>If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says hello.
>>>
>>>-James
>>>78FC33SB
>>>LasVegas NV
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At 8:03 AM -0800 2/7/06, George Lowry wrote:
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>All of these firms in MT and in other states that perform these "agent"
>services for LLC's and other corporations are careful to advise you to
>comply with the laws of the state with which you are a "resident". Check
>out everything and see if it meets YOUR requirements.
>
>George Lowry
>'06 Alpine Apex - formerly '95 WBDA 4203
>Spearfish, SD in sunny, warm Palm Springs Leaving for AZ tomorrow....
>
>Curt Sprenger wrote:
>
>>This was taken from the returned email that I sent to http://www.rvtax.com .
>>"However, this does not preempt you from complying with your home state
>>requirements. If your vehicle primarily resides in your home state
>>(most states define this as more than 6 months), than you are required
> >by your state law to register your vehicle there."
>>
>>Seems we just say that our RV & Toad is out of state more time than in
>>state.
>>
> >Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
<snip>

One wrinkle that those who suggest establishing a corporation in a
low cost state overlook is that many states require that a
corporation "doing business in" their state must also register with
that state. While ownership of an RV in Montana (or Nevada or
elsewhere) through a corporation might work, if you have a physical
residence in California (even for less than 6 months), and have any
transactions (such as servicing your MH) as the corporation,
California may then demand that you register the corporation with the
Secretary of State --- at a cost of "only" $800 per year.

If you like the weather here, be prepared to pay the taxes. Me? I'm
thinking of moving to Oregon or Nevada as I get closer to the time
when I'm ready to go on the road.

--
Pete Masterson -- pete@...
no Wanderlodge yet ....

[Wallace Craig]

Martha Stewart was convicted because she talked too much!! Remember, you do not
have to answer questions posed to you by any government agency and if you do
(and the answer is inaccurate) you may be subject to criminal prosecution. A
polite silence is all you are required to give; it is not your place to aid in
your conviction for anything.
Wallace Craig
95 WLWB42

Curt Sprenger wrote:
This was taken from the returned email that I sent to http://www.rvtax.com .
"However, this does not preempt you from complying with your home state
requirements. If your vehicle primarily resides in your home state
(most states define this as more than 6 months), than you are required
by your state law to register your vehicle there."

Seems we just say that our RV & Toad is out of state more time than in
state.

Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.



George Lowry wrote:

> We have a Montana Corporation and can speak from personal experience.
> First, notice that it is a corporation! That means it is a legal entity
> just like any person. The corporation is a legal resident of the state
> where it incorporated and can do any business, etc. that is allowed in
> that state. There are many companies that are incorporated in various
> states and they own vehicles that are driven throughout the country.
> For example, many of the large corporations are incorporated in
> Delaware, a state that has very little or no corporate taxes. General
> Motors is one of those companies.
>
> You can be certain that many of the vehicles you pass on the road are
> owned by a company and registered in one state and driven by a driver
> licensed in another state. Of course it is legal. CA is one of the most
> aggressive states in going after people that are trying to evade their
> exhorbinent taxes. I have been stopped - because I had a vehicle (MH)
> licensed out of state and a toad licensed in CA - Incurred no problem.
> I do recommend having both vehicles owned by the corporation, therefore
> the same plates on both. Leads to less questions.
>
> I also recommend that, when you form your LLC, use a fictitious name.
> Some people use their own name, while legal, can give officious
> bureaucrats something to hassle you about. Remember that you can own a
> corporation in any state you want and that corporation can do any
> business it wants as long as it is legal in the state in which
> incorporated. There are other states where this can be done such as NV.
> MT just happens to be the easiest and cheapest at this time.
>
> Check out . I have discussed this with attorneys in both
> MT and other states and the opinion is that it is completely legal.
> Just keep a low profile. Bureaucrats have learned to use threats and
> intimidation but seldom do they go to the courts unless they know they
> will win.
>
> George Lowry
> '06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203
> Spearfish, SD enjoying the wx in Palm Springs
>
> P.S. Talk to Dan West. He owns a shop at the airport in St. George.
> Don't have his address at my fingertips but he should be easy to find.
> He has an older bus conversion. You might find out how he got around
> those high taxes.
>
> George
>
> David A. Scott wrote:
>
> >Is this strictly legal? I've heard there can be issues if you are
> stopped
> >in an RV which is registered in one state and your drivers license is
> from a
> >different state.
> >
> >I had Benett Law form an LLC and registered my bus in Montana, toad
> >too. It was very fast, had my plates and registrations in less than
> >a week. The wohle thing cost around $1200. Every year after the
> >total cost is less than $200 per year, can't remember exactly.
> >
> >If you talk to John Bennett tell him James says hello.
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> >78FC33SB
> >LasVegas NV
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[Jeff Miller]

Whether it is legal to have a corporation in a state other than your
home state, to license your coach in that state through the
corporation, and to operate & garage the coach in your home state is
part of the issue. I have heard that FL is one state actively persuing
this and other types of tax evasion.

It becomes tax evasion when the corporation is formed etc. for the
purpose of not paying a tax, it becomes an issue not of what but why.

Fortunately for some this is very difficult for the states to discover
and to prosecute, but I wouldn't be telling everyone on the internet if
it were me.

I don't like paying more than my fair share either, my goal is to leave
this state but until then I'll not have to fear the tax man.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI

[john duke]

Jeff
I agree with you a 100%. To me its worth the extra doolars and the peace of
mind that if....God forbid... an accident would ever happen. I read somewhere,
maybe even this forum, how detailed an investigation can become when a coach is
involved in a costly accident. Even portable wheel scales to see if you are 1
pound over gross on the right rear inner tire..etc. Can you imagine the field
day a ambulance chasing lawyer would have if he smells a driverslicense in MI,
vehicles plates in MT and maybe a voter registration in FLA? Peace of mind is
costly, (I pay $89.00 anually on my coach in PA) no further taxes here for it.
AND my Driverlicense, vehicle plates registration.. all PA. same address,its at
least in proper order.
Juergen in PA
1991 WLSP36

Jeff Miller wrote: Whether it is legal to have a
corporation in a state other than your
home state, to license your coach in that state through the
corporation, and to operate & garage the coach in your home state is
part of the issue. I have heard that FL is one state actively persuing
this and other types of tax evasion.

It becomes tax evasion when the corporation is formed etc. for the
purpose of not paying a tax, it becomes an issue not of what but why.

Fortunately for some this is very difficult for the states to discover
and to prosecute, but I wouldn't be telling everyone on the internet if
it were me.

I don't like paying more than my fair share either, my goal is to leave
this state but until then I'll not have to fear the tax man.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI





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[Jeff Miller]

Just like a Pilot, "cleaning up the wreckage" LOL.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, john duke
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<<snip>> AND my Driverlicense, vehicle plates registration.. all PA.
same address,its at least in proper order.
> Juergen in PA