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05-14-2005, 21:19
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05-15-2005, 01:08
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The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential"
The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate. Which is precisely how Danny Adams furnished his U320, a 40-foot-long motor home built by Foretravel in Nacogdoches, Tex. It has a stainless- steel refrigerator and microwave, polished brass faucets, walnut cabinets, three surround-sound systems and five flat-panel televisions. "It's like being in my house, just a little bit smaller," said Mr. Adams, 50, an engineering consultant from Tyler, Tex., who recently took delivery of the U320, a diesel behemoth. "It has all the comforts of home." But since when does a home brandish expandable walls, air-operated doors and a satellite dish that aligns itself with every turn of the steering wheel? Not to mention a 37-inch plasma-screen TV that swings out for tailgate parties? "It's a condo on wheels," said Jimmie Bergman, a Foretravel salesman, as he showed off Mr. Adams's motor home. "Nobody wants a utilitarian camper anymore." Indeed, what R.V. shoppers seem to crave these days is not so much an R.V. as a portable version of their dream home, a roving castle as roomy as a rock star's trailer and as plush as a five-star hotel. And manufacturers are tripping over one another to comply. Spurred on by space-enlarging advances, they are slapping the term "residential style" on any feature that can be supersized. Ceilings that were once a head-bumping 78 inches have been raised to seven feet and higher. Kitchens that were once limited to hotplates and dorm-style refrigerators have blossomed with four-burner gas ranges, wine coolers and granite-topped islands. Bathrooms that were once closet-size now have walk-in closets of their own. And the electronics onboard, from wireless Internet access to audiophile theaters, rival those of a Silicon Valley bachelor pad. "Residential is the latest wave," said Sherman Goldenberg, the publisher of RV Business, a trade publication based in Ventura, Calif. "Before, R.V.'s had rather classless-looking interiors. Now we're seeing upscale coaches with residential-style interiors done gracefully." But just because they look homey doesn't mean that people actually live in them. Unlike the classic Winnebago and its legion of road- trekking retirees, these souped-up R.V.'s are not necessarily being used as primary residences or even as second homes. Instead, the driving force behind the new R.V.'s are baby boomers looking for quick weekend thrills. Just ask Mr. Adams, who is now on his third luxury motor home, each one nicer than the last. "We take it down to College Station for Texas A&M football games," said Mr. Adams, who is accompanied on such jaunts by his wife, Sandy, and their 17-year-old son. "I haven't missed a football game since the 1972 season." Like a giant bumper sticker, the entire R.V. is painted in Texas A&M's colors, maroon and white, and emblazoned with painted-on varsity letters. "You're not tailgating from the back of a pickup truck," he said. "You're tailgating from a half-million-dollar motor home with satellite reception, in front of a 37-inch plasma TV, under a shaded canopy. This is tailgating in its finest form." Lavish setups like this come in handy for Nascar races, outdoor concerts, rodeos, hunting trips and even as a guest suite for visiting relatives. Mary Greenwell, 44, of Hilton Head, S.C., uses her $600,000 R.V. when she travels to horse shows. "We use it about half a dozen times a year," said Ms. Greenwell, who has a 45-foot Affinity made by Country Coach in Junction City, Ore. She spent two months selecting fabrics and tiles. "We're kind of spoiled," she said. "Sometimes we park it in a campground and check into a hotel." That's assuming she can find a campground that welcomes monster motor homes. The majority of the R.V. parks are not equipped to handle vehicles longer than 40 feet and also have trouble meeting the electricity demands of the largest R.V.'s. "We need 50 amps," Ms. Greenwell said. "That would blow their circuitry." THE metamorphosis from basic R.V.'s to motorized McMansions began in earnest in 1995, when an R.V. company named Holiday Rambler introduced the first mechanized slide-out. With a push of a button, the motor home sprouted a wing, adding precious width to the cramped, 8-foot-wide interior. "Before slide-outs, you almost had a subway effect," said Patrick Carroll, the vice president for product development at the Monaco Coach Corporation in Coburg, Ore., which bought Holiday Rambler in 1996. The slide-outs, which pop out when the vehicle is parked and move the walls of some areas - as well as couches, beds and even kitchen cabinets - farther apart, can nearly double the usable floor space. R.V. makers promptly started their version of the arms race, jockeying to see who could add the deepest, widest, tallest and most slide-outs. Now there are motor homes with a slide-out in the kitchen, one in the living area and a third in the bedroom. Some even have two in the bedroom to fit a king-size bed and still leave space to walk around it. "Customers love it," said Adam Gudger, a Monaco salesman, during a tour of the company's 45-foot-long Executive motor home at the industry's annual trade show in Louisville, Ky. With its four slide- outs extended, the interior grows from 340 square feet to almost 430 square feet. "Quad slides hit the marketplace last year," Mr. Gudger said. "Now they're becoming standard." Not to be outdone, Fleetwood R.V. of Riverside, Calif., unveiled a motor home with a massive slide-out that extends from the driver's seat to the rear of the 36-foot-long cabin. "We are the first company to come out with a full-wall slide," said Amy Coleman, a company spokeswoman. All that extra space means that owners can now have double-door refrigerators, ottomans, overstuffed sofas, washer and dryers, coffee tables and other comforts of home. There seems to be no limit. Designers are scouring their homes to see what else to add. "Fireplaces are becoming very popular," said Rodney Lung, a salesman for Travel Supreme, a high-end manufacturer in Wakarusa, Ind. All this does add a certain burden. So-called Class A motor homes, the largest of their kind, were once built to carry up to 17,000 pounds. Today's motor homes, loaded down by generators, slide-outs, marble tiles, granite countertops and air-conditioners, can weigh 50,000 pounds and more. To carry all this stuff, motor homes have been retooled from the engine up. "The real strength is in diesel-based motor homes," said Mr. Goldenberg of RV Business. As a sign of the sector's expanding waistline, nearly half the Class A motor homes shipped today are diesel-powered, compared with just 13 percent in 1996. As weight has risen, fuel efficiency, not surprisingly, has plummeted. Motor home owners are lucky if they can squeeze out six miles a gallon. But despite stubbornly high fuel prices, high-end motor homes are selling better than ever. In 2003, 14,000 motor homes costing more than $200,000 were sold, a 20 percent increase over the year before. In 1992, fewer than 100 such vehicles lumbered off the showroom floor. With R.V.'s this big and plush, why stop at larger living areas and bigger bedrooms? "Having a second bathroom is just so handy," said Rex Browning, 65, a hair salon owner from Ottawa, Kan., who has a 42- foot-long Monaco Windsor kitted out to the hilt. The second bathroom is usually reserved for guests, and, he said, "We wouldn't have a motor home without it." Blair in Oregon Where's the second bathroom? |
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05-15-2005, 01:22
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At 06:19 AM 5/15/2005, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/15/2005 8:08:46 AM Central Standard Time, >vagabond@... writes: Ernie, I keep wondering when they'll install a maids quarters......? Blair > > Where's the second bathroom? > >probably beside the outside shower? ernie- I'll pass > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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05-15-2005, 01:24
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It probably slides underneath the table!
"REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 11, 2001" John Finn '82 35FCRB BLUEBIRD WANDERLODGE TO VISIT THE "FINN'S INN EXPRESS" REMODELING ADVENTURE GO TO; http://www.pbase.com/image/24977457 '66 SUPERIOR / IH 392 GAS V8 32' PUSHER "FOR SALE" SEE THE OLD COACH AT: http://www.pbase.com/image/26052733 HOPKINS, SOUTH CAROLINA --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@a... wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/2005 8:08:46 AM Central Standard Time, > vagabond@s... writes: > > > > Where's the second bathroom? > > probably beside the outside shower? ernie- I'll pass > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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05-15-2005, 01:30
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From the NY Times
most of this stuff has been around for years....randydupree93wb
----- Original Message ----- From: western_rancher To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] From the NY Times The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential" The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate. Which is precisely how Danny Adams furnished his U320, a 40-foot-long motor home built by Foretravel in Nacogdoches, Tex. It has a stainless- steel refrigerator and microwave, polished brass faucets, walnut cabinets, three surround-sound systems and five flat-panel televisions. "It's like being in my house, just a little bit smaller," said Mr. Adams, 50, an engineering consultant from Tyler, Tex., who recently took delivery of the U320, a diesel behemoth. "It has all the comforts of home." But since when does a home brandish expandable walls, air-operated doors and a satellite dish that aligns itself with every turn of the steering wheel? Not to mention a 37-inch plasma-screen TV that swings out for tailgate parties? "It's a condo on wheels," said Jimmie Bergman, a Foretravel salesman, as he showed off Mr. Adams's motor home. "Nobody wants a utilitarian camper anymore." Indeed, what R.V. shoppers seem to crave these days is not so much an R.V. as a portable version of their dream home, a roving castle as roomy as a rock star's trailer and as plush as a five-star hotel. And manufacturers are tripping over one another to comply. Spurred on by space-enlarging advances, they are slapping the term "residential style" on any feature that can be supersized. Ceilings that were once a head-bumping 78 inches have been raised to seven feet and higher. Kitchens that were once limited to hotplates and dorm-style refrigerators have blossomed with four-burner gas ranges, wine coolers and granite-topped islands. Bathrooms that were once closet-size now have walk-in closets of their own. And the electronics onboard, from wireless Internet access to audiophile theaters, rival those of a Silicon Valley bachelor pad. "Residential is the latest wave," said Sherman Goldenberg, the publisher of RV Business, a trade publication based in Ventura, Calif. "Before, R.V.'s had rather classless-looking interiors. Now we're seeing upscale coaches with residential-style interiors done gracefully." But just because they look homey doesn't mean that people actually live in them. Unlike the classic Winnebago and its legion of road- trekking retirees, these souped-up R.V.'s are not necessarily being used as primary residences or even as second homes. Instead, the driving force behind the new R.V.'s are baby boomers looking for quick weekend thrills. Just ask Mr. Adams, who is now on his third luxury motor home, each one nicer than the last. "We take it down to College Station for Texas A&M football games," said Mr. Adams, who is accompanied on such jaunts by his wife, Sandy, and their 17-year-old son. "I haven't missed a football game since the 1972 season." Like a giant bumper sticker, the entire R.V. is painted in Texas A&M's colors, maroon and white, and emblazoned with painted-on varsity letters. "You're not tailgating from the back of a pickup truck," he said. "You're tailgating from a half-million-dollar motor home with satellite reception, in front of a 37-inch plasma TV, under a shaded canopy. This is tailgating in its finest form." Lavish setups like this come in handy for Nascar races, outdoor concerts, rodeos, hunting trips and even as a guest suite for visiting relatives. Mary Greenwell, 44, of Hilton Head, S.C., uses her $600,000 R.V. when she travels to horse shows. "We use it about half a dozen times a year," said Ms. Greenwell, who has a 45-foot Affinity made by Country Coach in Junction City, Ore. She spent two months selecting fabrics and tiles. "We're kind of spoiled," she said. "Sometimes we park it in a campground and check into a hotel." That's assuming she can find a campground that welcomes monster motor homes. The majority of the R.V. parks are not equipped to handle vehicles longer than 40 feet and also have trouble meeting the electricity demands of the largest R.V.'s. "We need 50 amps," Ms. Greenwell said. "That would blow their circuitry." THE metamorphosis from basic R.V.'s to motorized McMansions began in earnest in 1995, when an R.V. company named Holiday Rambler introduced the first mechanized slide-out. With a push of a button, the motor home sprouted a wing, adding precious width to the cramped, 8-foot-wide interior. "Before slide-outs, you almost had a subway effect," said Patrick Carroll, the vice president for product development at the Monaco Coach Corporation in Coburg, Ore., which bought Holiday Rambler in 1996. The slide-outs, which pop out when the vehicle is parked and move the walls of some areas - as well as couches, beds and even kitchen cabinets - farther apart, can nearly double the usable floor space. R.V. makers promptly started their version of the arms race, jockeying to see who could add the deepest, widest, tallest and most slide-outs. Now there are motor homes with a slide-out in the kitchen, one in the living area and a third in the bedroom. Some even have two in the bedroom to fit a king-size bed and still leave space to walk around it. "Customers love it," said Adam Gudger, a Monaco salesman, during a tour of the company's 45-foot-long Executive motor home at the industry's annual trade show in Louisville, Ky. With its four slide- outs extended, the interior grows from 340 square feet to almost 430 square feet. "Quad slides hit the marketplace last year," Mr. Gudger said. "Now they're becoming standard." Not to be outdone, Fleetwood R.V. of Riverside, Calif., unveiled a motor home with a massive slide-out that extends from the driver's seat to the rear of the 36-foot-long cabin. "We are the first company to come out with a full-wall slide," said Amy Coleman, a company spokeswoman. All that extra space means that owners can now have double-door refrigerators, ottomans, overstuffed sofas, washer and dryers, coffee tables and other comforts of home. There seems to be no limit. Designers are scouring their homes to see what else to add. "Fireplaces are becoming very popular," said Rodney Lung, a salesman for Travel Supreme, a high-end manufacturer in Wakarusa, Ind. All this does add a certain burden. So-called Class A motor homes, the largest of their kind, were once built to carry up to 17,000 pounds. Today's motor homes, loaded down by generators, slide-outs, marble tiles, granite countertops and air-conditioners, can weigh 50,000 pounds and more. To carry all this stuff, motor homes have been retooled from the engine up. "The real strength is in diesel-based motor homes," said Mr. Goldenberg of RV Business. As a sign of the sector's expanding waistline, nearly half the Class A motor homes shipped today are diesel-powered, compared with just 13 percent in 1996. As weight has risen, fuel efficiency, not surprisingly, has plummeted. Motor home owners are lucky if they can squeeze out six miles a gallon. But despite stubbornly high fuel prices, high-end motor homes are selling better than ever. In 2003, 14,000 motor homes costing more than $200,000 were sold, a 20 percent increase over the year before. In 1992, fewer than 100 such vehicles lumbered off the showroom floor. With R.V.'s this big and plush, why stop at larger living areas and bigger bedrooms? "Having a second bathroom is just so handy," said Rex Browning, 65, a hair salon owner from Ottawa, Kan., who has a 42- foot-long Monaco Windsor kitted out to the hilt. The second bathroom is usually reserved for guests, and, he said, "We wouldn't have a motor home without it." Blair in Oregon Where's the second bathroom? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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05-15-2005, 17:30
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From the NY Times
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "western_rancher"
> The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential" > The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee > > > When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a > recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate. Blair, The rich are different, they have more money and usually find a way to spend it! (on frivilous (sp) status symbols). Hey, if you've got it flaunt it (by spending it). As for me and my house on wheels, I'll keep my vintage 'Bird and maintain it to the best of my meager ability and update it as time and money allow . . . My parents lived through the depression in railroad cars and one-room log cabins. Hardy folk made of stern stuff. Any of you out there enjoying a new LXi don't take offense. Chances are you've earned your way to it. Just know that you probably don't enjoy it any more than I do my old 'Bird! Jim & Pam Owens 77 FC33SB "Sweetie's Dream" Lake of the Ozarks, MO |
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05-15-2005, 23:47
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From the NY Times
jim,way back i had a converted skoolie,i had more fun in that bus than any
other,of course i was 20 years younger!! haha randydupree93wb ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Owens To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: From the NY Times --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "western_rancher" > The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential" > The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee > > > When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a > recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate. Blair, The rich are different, they have more money and usually find a way to spend it! (on frivilous (sp) status symbols). Hey, if you've got it flaunt it (by spending it). As for me and my house on wheels, I'll keep my vintage 'Bird and maintain it to the best of my meager ability and update it as time and money allow . . . My parents lived through the depression in railroad cars and one-room log cabins. Hardy folk made of stern stuff. Any of you out there enjoying a new LXi don't take offense. Chances are you've earned your way to it. Just know that you probably don't enjoy it any more than I do my old 'Bird! Jim & Pam Owens 77 FC33SB "Sweetie's Dream" Lake of the Ozarks, MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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05-16-2005, 05:13
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From the NY Times
Hey Randy wasn't that the glug glug coach. The one that started you off in
the plumbing business. Sue thinks that is one of your best stories. hahahahah Original Message: ----------------- From: randydupree randy@... Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:47:54 -0400 To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: From the NY Times jim,way back i had a converted skoolie,i had more fun in that bus than any other,of course i was 20 years younger!! haha randydupree93wb  ----- Original Message -----  From: Jim Owens  To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com  Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:30 AM  Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: From the NY Times  --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "western_rancher"   > The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential"  > The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee  >  >  > When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a  > recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate.  Blair,  The rich are different, they have more money and usually find a way  to spend it! (on frivilous (sp) status symbols). Hey, if you've got  it flaunt it (by spending it).  As for me and my house on wheels, I'll keep my vintage 'Bird and  maintain it to the best of my meager ability and update it as time  and money allow . . . My parents lived through the depression in  railroad cars and one-room log cabins. Hardy folk made of stern  stuff.  Any of you out there enjoying a new LXi don't take offense. Chances  are you've earned your way to it. Just know that you probably don't  enjoy it any more than I do my old 'Bird!  Jim & Pam Owens  77 FC33SB "Sweetie's Dream"  Lake of the Ozarks, MO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --  Yahoo! Groups Links    a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:    om/group/WanderlodgeForum/         b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:    WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com         c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> Yahoo! Groups Links
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05-16-2005, 09:23
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that was it! valterra valves and no treatzall back in those days!
randydupree93wb ----- Original Message ----- From: rrob@... To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: From the NY Times Hey Randy wasn't that the glug glug coach. The one that started you off in the plumbing business. Sue thinks that is one of your best stories. hahahahah Original Message: ----------------- From: randydupree randy@... Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:47:54 -0400 To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: From the NY Times jim,way back i had a converted skoolie,i had more fun in that bus than any other,of course i was 20 years younger!! haha randydupree93wb ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Owens To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: From the NY Times --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "western_rancher" > The New Word in R.V.'s: "Residential" > The New York Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | Denny Lee > > > When a motor home costs upward of $500,000, it's no longer a > recreational vehicle, it's a rolling chunk of real estate. Blair, The rich are different, they have more money and usually find a way to spend it! (on frivilous (sp) status symbols). Hey, if you've got it flaunt it (by spending it). As for me and my house on wheels, I'll keep my vintage 'Bird and maintain it to the best of my meager ability and update it as time and money allow . . . My parents lived through the depression in railroad cars and one-room log cabins. Hardy folk made of stern stuff. Any of you out there enjoying a new LXi don't take offense. Chances are you've earned your way to it. Just know that you probably don't enjoy it any more than I do my old 'Bird! Jim & Pam Owens 77 FC33SB "Sweetie's Dream" Lake of the Ozarks, MO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: om/group/WanderlodgeForum/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> Yahoo! Groups Links
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