Members helping members

[Gregory OConnor]

For market value I do a Ebay search then click on "Completed items"
(left side)this will show the ending bids for the last month for a
particular item description . Even if it was not a sucessful sale
(green= sold) you can get an idea of what the Market (the buying
audiance at e-bay) is willing to pay.

I think it is great service to all when members post that they have a
bus for sale. but Some members have a way of marketing their
coaches with suttle statements of product attributes and model
superiority in unrelated threads. At first I recognize it as pride in
ownership but then get annoyed at being tricked into listening to a
sales pitch. I wish there was an island to send this people to.

GregoryO'Connor
94PtRomolandCa



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> This has been an interesting discussion. One thing that has not
been
> mentioned is that the buyer determines the final price not the
seller.
> I may think my unit is worth $60,000 because I have new tires,
> transmission ,etc. But if the potential buyers balk at this price
and I
> get no offers then I am wrong. As BB owners we all know that there
is
> more value in one of our units than an old Pace Arrow. But just
what is
> that premium? If I reduce my price to $45,000 and there are still
no
> offers then that price is also too high. If I get a few offers of
say
> $38,000 to $40,000 then maybe that is the actual value. I am not
> suggesting that one should reduce the price after a few weeks or
even
> months but a simple search of some of the BB sites will reveal
units
> that have been for sale for a year or more. These are not houses
they
> are depreciating assets. If a unit did not draw it's asking price a
> year ago it is unlikely it will get that price today. As a seller
you
> have the option of not selling your unit at what you might consider
a
> very low offer. Remember your price is an ASKING price. Sometimes
it is
> better to let go and move on. I had a restored Clark Cortez many
years
> ago. When it came time to sell I thought it was worth $10,000. I
had
> spent more than that on upgrades and spare parts. I did not get one
> offer. Finally a fellow that restored antique aircraft came to see
the
> unit. He loved it and offered $5000. I managed to get $6000 and it
> killed me but that was it's value.
>
>
> Bruce 1988 FC35
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Mike, I always wanted to build a Bus Conversion but bought the
Wanderlodge because I was too busy to do the work. After looking at
all that goes into the Wanderlodge I realize the million mile
BusConversion would cost more than 100K, and hold no resale value
what so ever.
GregoryO'Connor
94PtRomolandCa

> Greg,
>
> Nice idea, but it doesn't seem to work at all in this market. When
I
> was selling Stagecoach 2 years ago, not only did I price it about
$5k
> under any comparable units on the market then, but I also offered
the
> exact kind of open-ended second $$ warranty that you suggest - no
> questions asked (specifying only that any work to be done by
someone I
> trust to know what he was doing - namely Ralph. I had worked the
deal
> with Ralph to pay him directly, up to the limit of the warranty
> amount.) No one else was offering such a deal, but I was confident
of
> what I had. It had *absolutely* no effect on the sale. The market
at
> that time seemed like it was full of folks that thought they were
> going to be able to get an excellent PT40 for $30K or less!! Ask
> Harvey about those people! I think a lot of lookers today are
looking
> for the excellent shape FC for $10K! Those buyers don't understand
> the product and confuse these things with trashed out 20 year old
> plastic palaces. Those excellent $10K buses don't exist. If you
want
> a re-builder project, start with a shell and have at it. You'll be
> busy and upside down in a re-builder forever. Stagecoach sold for
> what I expected, to a guy that owned several other older buses and
who
> understood the value of what he was getting.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> > I guess I look at things different, being self employed and one
job
> > away from being 'layed-off'. A big sell point for me with
dropping
> > over 100G's on an old bus was the total cost is less than the
first
> > year depreciation on a new higher end fleetwood. I do believe
that
> > if a seller has confident claims about the condition of his
product,
> > he should offer a 'Second $5,000.00 warranty' (seller pays second
> > 5G's of a repair within the first year or buyback). There is no
> > mystery as to why rigs dont sell. Too many sellers view the
Market
> > value as an average of all the Asking Prices. Too many sellers
want
> > to recover cost of maintenance and upkeep and never deduct
utility
> > and use. (Upgrade is a Date sensitive term for upkeep)
> >
> > Members are also buyers
> >
> > Gregory O'Connor
> > 94PtRomolandCa
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Financed mine with our Credit Union...no problem.
> > > Bob Lawrence
> > > 84 PT36
> > > Tacoma, Wa
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, makes it hard to sell when the banks don't have a book
that
> > > goes back beyond 1990.
> > > > MH
> > > > From: Harvey Lawrence
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:57 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Members helping members
> > >
> > > > > Ernie , do you know of any sources of financing an older
Blue
> > > > bird. A potential buyer of my 84 has that problem.
> > > > > Harvey Lawrence 84 pt 40
> > >
> >
>

[Richard Hayden]

Have we all seen the ad in FMCA Magazine Classifieds pleading "will the guy who
made the ridicules offer please call back"?

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members


For market value I do a Ebay search then click on "Completed items"
(left side)this will show the ending bids for the last month for a
particular item description . Even if it was not a sucessful sale
(green= sold) you can get an idea of what the Market (the buying
audiance at e-bay) is willing to pay.

I think it is great service to all when members post that they have a
bus for sale. but Some members have a way of marketing their
coaches with suttle statements of product attributes and model
superiority in unrelated threads. At first I recognize it as pride in
ownership but then get annoyed at being tricked into listening to a
sales pitch. I wish there was an island to send this people to.

GregoryO'Connor
94PtRomolandCa

--- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
"birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> This has been an interesting discussion. One thing that has not
been
> mentioned is that the buyer determines the final price not the
seller.
> I may think my unit is worth $60,000 because I have new tires,
> transmission ,etc. But if the potential buyers balk at this price
and I
> get no offers then I am wrong. As BB owners we all know that there
is
> more value in one of our units than an old Pace Arrow. But just
what is
> that premium? If I reduce my price to $45,000 and there are still
no
> offers then that price is also too high. If I get a few offers of
say
> $38,000 to $40,000 then maybe that is the actual value. I am not
> suggesting that one should reduce the price after a few weeks or
even
> months but a simple search of some of the BB sites will reveal
units
> that have been for sale for a year or more. These are not houses
they
> are depreciating assets. If a unit did not draw it's asking price a
> year ago it is unlikely it will get that price today. As a seller
you
> have the option of not selling your unit at what you might consider
a
> very low offer. Remember your price is an ASKING price. Sometimes
it is
> better to let go and move on. I had a restored Clark Cortez many
years
> ago. When it came time to sell I thought it was worth $10,000. I
had
> spent more than that on upgrades and spare parts. I did not get one
> offer. Finally a fellow that restored antique aircraft came to see
the
> unit. He loved it and offered $5000. I managed to get $6000 and it
> killed me but that was it's value.
>
>
> Bruce 1988 FC35
>





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[Leroy Eckert]

I'm very happy, but better yet, the war department is elated.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL







----- Original Message -----
From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members


Good point Leroy.
But the biggest thing that matters "Are you happy with the purchase you made"
Nothing else should really matter.

Bill
84FC325SB
Terrace, B.C.

Leroy Eckert wrote:


For What It's Worth: I agree with O'Conner and Roger except I chose another
angle when looking for my bus. I believe in the value approach. Value is the
fair or proper equivalent in money and is determined at a point in time. When
searching for a bus I looked at many coaches in my price range. Understanding
coaches are depreciable assets I ignored the cost of normal maintenance. I did
consider deferred maintenance and any upgrades that were made by previous
owners. I knew when I walked up to the bus I now own that it was in fine shape.
I bought it on the spot.

Did I pay to much? The jury is still out. I paid more than I wanted to pay!
Everything is relative, you get what you pay for. Two years of ownership
has(knock on wood) supported my decision. Very few problems. The majority of
heavy dollars have been spent on elective upgrades.

Like all Bluebird owners, I'm not embarrassed to pull my rig right up next to
a brand new $2,000,000 Prevost. He ain't laugh'n, I am.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: rogerwwebb
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

Everyone has different expectations for their motor `home.' In
my case, I probably paid too much for my 91WL a few years back and I
know I have spent way too much money on it ever since. Yet, since
accepting the advice of someone from this forum to consider it as
`restoring a vintage vehicle' versus `spending money on an
old motor home,' it has been (most of the time) a great source of
pleasure and pride.

We tailgate at the Hawkeye football games in a designated RV lot and I
always have people comment on our coach. It is easy to be proud of a
BB compared to a used plastic motor home, but it is also very satisfying
to be able to compare favorably to newer coaches, including high-end
coaches that cost one heck of lot more than I have got in my 91.

Roger Webb

Cedar Rapids, IA

91WLWB

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[Leroy Eckert]

Hopefully the artist will have the name on my bus this week. Smoke n' Mirrors.
It takes an ample supply of both for the working man to own and maintain our
magical machines, irrespective of the purchase price.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL







----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members




I'm very happy, but better yet, the war department is elated.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

Good point Leroy.
But the biggest thing that matters "Are you happy with the purchase you made"
Nothing else should really matter.

Bill
84FC325SB
Terrace, B.C.

Leroy Eckert wrote:

For What It's Worth: I agree with O'Conner and Roger except I chose another
angle when looking for my bus. I believe in the value approach. Value is the
fair or proper equivalent in money and is determined at a point in time. When
searching for a bus I looked at many coaches in my price range. Understanding
coaches are depreciable assets I ignored the cost of normal maintenance. I did
consider deferred maintenance and any upgrades that were made by previous
owners. I knew when I walked up to the bus I now own that it was in fine shape.
I bought it on the spot.

Did I pay to much? The jury is still out. I paid more than I wanted to pay!
Everything is relative, you get what you pay for. Two years of ownership
has(knock on wood) supported my decision. Very few problems. The majority of
heavy dollars have been spent on elective upgrades.

Like all Bluebird owners, I'm not embarrassed to pull my rig right up next to
a brand new $2,000,000 Prevost. He ain't laugh'n, I am.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: rogerwwebb
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

Everyone has different expectations for their motor `home.' In
my case, I probably paid too much for my 91WL a few years back and I
know I have spent way too much money on it ever since. Yet, since
accepting the advice of someone from this forum to consider it as
`restoring a vintage vehicle' versus `spending money on an
old motor home,' it has been (most of the time) a great source of
pleasure and pride.

We tailgate at the Hawkeye football games in a designated RV lot and I
always have people comment on our coach. It is easy to be proud of a
BB compared to a used plastic motor home, but it is also very satisfying
to be able to compare favorably to newer coaches, including high-end
coaches that cost one heck of lot more than I have got in my 91.

Roger Webb

Cedar Rapids, IA

91WLWB

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[Richard Hayden]

Leroy, That is a really great coach name. I never thought of it in those words
but you have hit the nail right on the head.

Enjoy.

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 , "Freebird" - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members


Hopefully the artist will have the name on my bus this week. Smoke n' Mirrors.
It takes an ample supply of both for the working man to own and maintain our
magical machines, irrespective of the purchase price.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

I'm very happy, but better yet, the war department is elated.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

Good point Leroy.
But the biggest thing that matters "Are you happy with the purchase you made"
Nothing else should really matter.

Bill
84FC325SB
Terrace, B.C.

Leroy Eckert > wrote:

For What It's Worth: I agree with O'Conner and Roger except I chose another
angle when looking for my bus. I believe in the value approach. Value is the
fair or proper equivalent in money and is determined at a point in time. When
searching for a bus I looked at many coaches in my price range. Understanding
coaches are depreciable assets I ignored the cost of normal maintenance. I did
consider deferred maintenance and any upgrades that were made by previous
owners. I knew when I walked up to the bus I now own that it was in fine shape.
I bought it on the spot.

Did I pay to much? The jury is still out. I paid more than I wanted to pay!
Everything is relative, you get what you pay for. Two years of ownership
has(knock on wood) supported my decision. Very few problems. The majority of
heavy dollars have been spent on elective upgrades.

Like all Bluebird owners, I'm not embarrassed to pull my rig right up next to
a brand new $2,000,000 Prevost. He ain't laugh'n, I am.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: rogerwwebb
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

Everyone has different expectations for their motor `home.' In
my case, I probably paid too much for my 91WL a few years back and I
know I have spent way too much money on it ever since. Yet, since
accepting the advice of someone from this forum to consider it as
`restoring a vintage vehicle' versus `spending money on an
old motor home,' it has been (most of the time) a great source of
pleasure and pride.

We tailgate at the Hawkeye football games in a designated RV lot and I
always have people comment on our coach. It is easy to be proud of a
BB compared to a used plastic motor home, but it is also very satisfying
to be able to compare favorably to newer coaches, including high-end
coaches that cost one heck of lot more than I have got in my 91.

Roger Webb

Cedar Rapids, IA

91WLWB

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[Leroy Eckert]

Dick,
All names have a story. I'm certain yours does also. I won't take up space
here telling the story. I only hope the artist can transfer my illusion into
paint. If he is successful it will be cool. Thanks for your kind comment.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL







----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members


Leroy, That is a really great coach name. I never thought of it in those words
but you have hit the nail right on the head.

Enjoy.

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 , "Freebird" - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

Hopefully the artist will have the name on my bus this week. Smoke n' Mirrors.
It takes an ample supply of both for the working man to own and maintain our
magical machines, irrespective of the purchase price.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

I'm very happy, but better yet, the war department is elated.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

Good point Leroy.
But the biggest thing that matters "Are you happy with the purchase you made"
Nothing else should really matter.

Bill
84FC325SB
Terrace, B.C.

Leroy Eckert > wrote:

For What It's Worth: I agree with O'Conner and Roger except I chose another
angle when looking for my bus. I believe in the value approach. Value is the
fair or proper equivalent in money and is determined at a point in time. When
searching for a bus I looked at many coaches in my price range. Understanding
coaches are depreciable assets I ignored the cost of normal maintenance. I did
consider deferred maintenance and any upgrades that were made by previous
owners. I knew when I walked up to the bus I now own that it was in fine shape.
I bought it on the spot.

Did I pay to much? The jury is still out. I paid more than I wanted to pay!
Everything is relative, you get what you pay for. Two years of ownership
has(knock on wood) supported my decision. Very few problems. The majority of
heavy dollars have been spent on elective upgrades.

Like all Bluebird owners, I'm not embarrassed to pull my rig right up next to
a brand new $2,000,000 Prevost. He ain't laugh'n, I am.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: rogerwwebb
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Members helping members

Everyone has different expectations for their motor `home.' In
my case, I probably paid too much for my 91WL a few years back and I
know I have spent way too much money on it ever since. Yet, since
accepting the advice of someone from this forum to consider it as
`restoring a vintage vehicle' versus `spending money on an
old motor home,' it has been (most of the time) a great source of
pleasure and pride.

We tailgate at the Hawkeye football games in a designated RV lot and I
always have people comment on our coach. It is easy to be proud of a
BB compared to a used plastic motor home, but it is also very satisfying
to be able to compare favorably to newer coaches, including high-end
coaches that cost one heck of lot more than I have got in my 91.

Roger Webb

Cedar Rapids, IA

91WLWB

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