Propane System Issue

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

David:

The power source for that unit should be in the rear left hand load center.
Glass fuse, open the center bedroom over head, remove the insert panel
there and on the right there should be a row of circuit breakers then some
glass fuse holders, I believe it is there.

Ralph

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35
Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma

At 07:03 PM 2/8/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Bill, I have determined that there is no power to the detector. I
>pulled it out and applied power to the unit direct from the battery
>and it lights up. Now I need to find the incoming power source to
>the gas detector. I have a call in to Wanderlodge but I plan to
>check the CCI Controls web site.
>
>David 89 WB
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
>wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > I am mostly familiar with our 88 FC, But some of the electrical
> > drawings that I have do refer to a PT. As you probably already
>know
> > Propane is dangerous and can explode and kill. And your tank is
>full.
> > So if you want to continue, Check that the master shut off and
>the
> > electronic master switches are turned ON.
> >
> > I have one, two stage pressure regulator, some BB's have more than
> > one regulator, so check the propane at all appliances, such as:
> > stove, all heaters and refrig etc. If all propane is shut off ,
> > again check the main manual shut off valve. Rotate it again
>ON/OFF/On.
> >
> > If still no propane, I would then suspect the auto propane
>detector
> > shut down. It should have a test button, with a light and an
>alarm.
> > Find the shut off solenoid. It is easy to hear and feel the
>magnetic
> > solenoid activate when the power is applied to the propane
>detector.
> > If you decide that the auto shut off is
>defective.
> > You could try to apply 12volt DC directly to the terminals of the
> > solenoid. This is not a good practice, but for a momentary test,
> > this may isolate your problem. The solenoid needs 12 volts to
>open,
> > then the circuit drops this voltage to about 4 to 8 volt to hold
>it
> > open, So again it is not a good idea to keep 12 volts on the
> > solenoid for a longer period of time.
> > For more information check the CCI Controls web site .
> > http://www.ccicontrols.com
> >
> > or
> >
> > http://www.ccicontrols.com/7719%20Instru...200704.pdf
> >
> > Bill 88 FC
> >
>

[David Hanvy]

Ralph, Thanks !! I needed a little encouragement because this has
been kicking my butt all day. I'll check out your tip first thing in
the morning. FYI;BlueBird Tech Support had me looking in the front
load center above the driver's seat which proved to be a dead-end
lead.

David Hanvy, 89 WB Crosby, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
>
> David:
>
> The power source for that unit should be in the rear left hand
load center.
> Glass fuse, open the center bedroom over head, remove the insert
panel
> there and on the right there should be a row of circuit breakers
then some
> glass fuse holders, I believe it is there.
>
> Ralph
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 07:03 PM 2/8/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hi Bill, I have determined that there is no power to the
detector. I
> >pulled it out and applied power to the unit direct from the
battery
> >and it lights up. Now I need to find the incoming power source to
> >the gas detector. I have a call in to Wanderlodge but I plan to
> >check the CCI Controls web site.
> >
> >David 89 WB
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dave,
> > >
> > > I am mostly familiar with our 88 FC, But some of the
electrical
> > > drawings that I have do refer to a PT. As you probably already
> >know
> > > Propane is dangerous and can explode and kill. And your tank
is
> >full.
> > > So if you want to continue, Check that the master shut off and
> >the
> > > electronic master switches are turned ON.
> > >
> > > I have one, two stage pressure regulator, some BB's have more
than
> > > one regulator, so check the propane at all appliances, such as:
> > > stove, all heaters and refrig etc. If all propane is shut
off ,
> > > again check the main manual shut off valve. Rotate it again
> >ON/OFF/On.
> > >
> > > If still no propane, I would then suspect the auto propane
> >detector
> > > shut down. It should have a test button, with a light and an
> >alarm.
> > > Find the shut off solenoid. It is easy to hear and feel the
> >magnetic
> > > solenoid activate when the power is applied to the propane
> >detector.
> > > If you decide that the auto shut off is
> >defective.
> > > You could try to apply 12volt DC directly to the terminals of
the
> > > solenoid. This is not a good practice, but for a momentary
test,
> > > this may isolate your problem. The solenoid needs 12 volts to
> >open,
> > > then the circuit drops this voltage to about 4 to 8 volt to
hold
> >it
> > > open, So again it is not a good idea to keep 12 volts on the
> > > solenoid for a longer period of time.
> > > For more information check the CCI Controls web site .
> > > http://www.ccicontrols.com
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > http://www.ccicontrols.com/7719%20Instru...200704.pdf
> > >
> > > Bill 88 FC
> > >
> >
>

[David Hanvy]

Ralph: All the wires in the rear load panel were hot and none
matched the color of the culprit in question. My coach did not have
any glass fuses in that location and I could not find any other load
panels inside the coach or outside either. I traced the wire in
question from inside the coach and it ran across the propane tank
and headed up towards the RH rear of the coach. No Mas, No Mas!!; I
found an unused 12 volt source underneath the rear of the fridge and
got back in the propane business for now. Hopefully I can have more
sucess in the future.

David Hanvy 89WB Crosby, TX
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
>
> David:
>
> The power source for that unit should be in the rear left hand
load center.
> Glass fuse, open the center bedroom over head, remove the insert
panel
> there and on the right there should be a row of circuit breakers
then some
> glass fuse holders, I believe it is there.
>
> Ralph
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 07:03 PM 2/8/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hi Bill, I have determined that there is no power to the
detector. I
> >pulled it out and applied power to the unit direct from the
battery
> >and it lights up. Now I need to find the incoming power source to
> >the gas detector. I have a call in to Wanderlodge but I plan to
> >check the CCI Controls web site.
> >
> >David 89 WB
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dave,
> > >
> > > I am mostly familiar with our 88 FC, But some of the
electrical
> > > drawings that I have do refer to a PT. As you probably already
> >know
> > > Propane is dangerous and can explode and kill. And your tank
is
> >full.
> > > So if you want to continue, Check that the master shut off and
> >the
> > > electronic master switches are turned ON.
> > >
> > > I have one, two stage pressure regulator, some BB's have more
than
> > > one regulator, so check the propane at all appliances, such as:
> > > stove, all heaters and refrig etc. If all propane is shut
off ,
> > > again check the main manual shut off valve. Rotate it again
> >ON/OFF/On.
> > >
> > > If still no propane, I would then suspect the auto propane
> >detector
> > > shut down. It should have a test button, with a light and an
> >alarm.
> > > Find the shut off solenoid. It is easy to hear and feel the
> >magnetic
> > > solenoid activate when the power is applied to the propane
> >detector.
> > > If you decide that the auto shut off is
> >defective.
> > > You could try to apply 12volt DC directly to the terminals of
the
> > > solenoid. This is not a good practice, but for a momentary
test,
> > > this may isolate your problem. The solenoid needs 12 volts to
> >open,
> > > then the circuit drops this voltage to about 4 to 8 volt to
hold
> >it
> > > open, So again it is not a good idea to keep 12 volts on the
> > > solenoid for a longer period of time.
> > > For more information check the CCI Controls web site .
> > > http://www.ccicontrols.com
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > http://www.ccicontrols.com/7719%20Instru...200704.pdf
> > >
> > > Bill 88 FC
> > >
> >
>

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Hi David:

Apologies for the goose chase, I was looking at the wrong print. On print
number 2906922 it shows the wire to the LP unit to be # 30 Purple going
from plug 42 pin 4 and coming out as a green # 4 going to SK16 a 10 amp
fuse located in the LH Front load center. The fuse looks to be a blade type
used in cars.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC35 Duncan, Oklahoma (in Victoria Tx with a bad ride height valve)
Ralph's RV Solutions



At 01:17 AM 2/10/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>Ralph: All the wires in the rear load panel were hot and none
>matched the color of the culprit in question. My coach did not have
>any glass fuses in that location and I could not find any other load
>panels inside the coach or outside either. I traced the wire in
>question from inside the coach and it ran across the propane tank
>and headed up towards the RH rear of the coach. No Mas, No Mas!!; I
>found an unused 12 volt source underneath the rear of the fridge and
>got back in the propane business for now. Hopefully I can have more
>sucess in the future.
>
>David Hanvy 89WB Crosby, TX
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> wrote:
> >
> > David:
> >
> > The power source for that unit should be in the rear left hand
>load center.
> > Glass fuse, open the center bedroom over head, remove the insert
>panel
> > there and on the right there should be a row of circuit breakers
>then some
> > glass fuse holders, I believe it is there.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > 84FC35
> > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 07:03 PM 2/8/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Hi Bill, I have determined that there is no power to the
>detector. I
> > >pulled it out and applied power to the unit direct from the
>battery
> > >and it lights up. Now I need to find the incoming power source to
> > >the gas detector. I have a call in to Wanderlodge but I plan to
> > >check the CCI Controls web site.
> > >
> > >David 89 WB
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Dave,
> > > >
> > > > I am mostly familiar with our 88 FC, But some of the
>electrical
> > > > drawings that I have do refer to a PT. As you probably already
> > >know
> > > > Propane is dangerous and can explode and kill. And your tank
>is
> > >full.
> > > > So if you want to continue, Check that the master shut off and
> > >the
> > > > electronic master switches are turned ON.
> > > >
> > > > I have one, two stage pressure regulator, some BB's have more
>than
> > > > one regulator, so check the propane at all appliances, such as:
> > > > stove, all heaters and refrig etc. If all propane is shut
>off ,
> > > > again check the main manual shut off valve. Rotate it again
> > >ON/OFF/On.
> > > >
> > > > If still no propane, I would then suspect the auto propane
> > >detector
> > > > shut down. It should have a test button, with a light and an
> > >alarm.
> > > > Find the shut off solenoid. It is easy to hear and feel the
> > >magnetic
> > > > solenoid activate when the power is applied to the propane
> > >detector.
> > > > If you decide that the auto shut off is
> > >defective.
> > > > You could try to apply 12volt DC directly to the terminals of
>the
> > > > solenoid. This is not a good practice, but for a momentary
>test,
> > > > this may isolate your problem. The solenoid needs 12 volts to
> > >open,
> > > > then the circuit drops this voltage to about 4 to 8 volt to
>hold
> > >it
> > > > open, So again it is not a good idea to keep 12 volts on the
> > > > solenoid for a longer period of time.
> > > > For more information check the CCI Controls web site .
> > > > http://www.ccicontrols.com
> > > >
> > > > or
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ccicontrols.com/7719%20Instru...200704.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Bill 88 FC
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>